User:Forerunner/Chat-Log-2012-08-25

1:03 Forerunner It might be in your Chat log, but I'll take a statement, too 1:03 GarouxBloodline A lot of users were sitting around in chat here pretty bored by the time I came in. Nothing really exciting happened until the ICarly wiki decided to invade our chat. We decided afterwards to visit other chats to see how they compared to our community. ICarly was the first. Halo Nations was one of the links I posted, and we decided to see what it was like there. (I had been in there before though.) So we all jumped over there. No invasion. Chat logs prove this. 1:05 Forerunner okay 1:05 GarouxBloodline None of us instigated anything. Denis was the only possible exception. 1:05 Forerunner http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/User:Karl-591/Chat-Log-8-24-12 Yeah - I was about to mention Denis 1:05 GarouxBloodline But he was only making his concerns heard, because he had some trouble with Halo Nation's before. Back before they purged the system And got rid of a bunch of mods and admins. 1:06 Forerunner It seems that his question led to suspicions that the other Nukapedians present were Chat-invaders 1:06 GarouxBloodline But he was well within his rights to express his concerns. He was not rude until people started making fun of him. He then left chat, just to have one of the chat users make fun of him behind his back. It was then that grif took it upon himself to ban everyone in chat. Most of us never even got a sentence in. Like me. My only post was ":3" And I was banned. That's what we're upset about. He took us in bad faith. Instantly assumed we were invading. 1:07 Forerunner I guess he ran a quick check on Nukapedia to see who was a member 1:07 GarouxBloodline And then banned us, for unjust reasons. 1:07 Forerunner I see 1:07 GarouxBloodline He was in chat here, at the time. He saw me linking to your chat. And assumed we were invading. But like I told him, it's the Administrators/moderators job 'not' to ban people. He should have taken time out to make sure of our position. Not relying on speculation. I hope you can understand why this has sort of pissed a few people off. We've already had a bad relationship with the previous leadership there. This wasn't a good way to start off our opinion of the new(ish) leadership. 1:09 Forerunner Of course, in Grif's mindset, he was in good-faith, preventing potential conflict. 1:10 GarouxBloodline Good faith is not assuming the worst, though. We were merely a group hopping around multiple chat rooms. 1:10 Forerunner Problem is, if you stop a "crime" from happening, then there's no reason to punish the individual(s) (at least in that one film where cops look into the future to see who's gonna be a murderer) 1:10 GarouxBloodline :P 1:11 Forerunner Has your block expired now? 1:11 GarouxBloodline No. They extended my block to a week for making my concerns vocal. 1:11 Forerunner According to the Great Mara post on my talk page, it was only for two hours Ah "vocal"? 1:12 GarouxBloodline He was very caustic. On our wiki's chat, too. And so I didn't exactly remedy the situation by reacting the opposite. You can look at his talk-page to see for yourself. I was mildy insulting, but I still had a valid point. I don't really want my block removed though. 1:13 Forerunner I see. Plus there are tons of idiots on Halo Nation who flood it with Brony roleplaying, and you wouldn't want to risk an attack from them. 1:13 GarouxBloodline Ugh. You're telling me. 1:13 Forerunner Why, has it happened before? 1:14 GarouxBloodline Heh. Definitely. We're the 3rd-5th largest wiki Wikia has got. We get bronies in here all the time. Many of them are quite belligerent. let me show you a perfect example. User_talk:Big_M.T. Enjoy ;) 1:16 Forerunner sure, but Resident Evil Wiki has been spared of major-bronies for a while. Ever since an admin decided that all bronies should be made ChatMods -_-. We came up with an exclusive group who vote over who gets ChatMod rights so that it would never happen again. Sure you gave me the right link? Ah yeah- the period never gets added into the URL unless you have an underscore at the end 1:17 GarouxBloodline Yep. He was trying to add a Fallout/MLP fan page into our main article space. :P Ahhh. Hah. I remember there was some sort of joke going on at Halo Nations. Someone had replaced the main page background with MLP That was interesting. 1:18 Forerunner April Fools Day - it's celebrated in bizarre ways each year 1:18 GarouxBloodline Was that what is was? :') 1:18 Forerunner Problem is, it's successful /every/ year. 1:18 GarouxBloodline it* 1:19 Forerunner So each year the admins gets plagues with questions regarding if it's the new look for the wiki and so forth 1:19 GarouxBloodline lol At least it shakes things up for a while. Before I forget, many of us did send reports out to Wikia Staff/VSTF. Not sure if you'll ever hear back from them, as they're never keen on getting involved with independent wikis, but just warning you. 1:20 Forerunner m'kay 1:21 GarouxBloodline That's one of the reasons why I'm being so vocal about this. I don't care about my ban. But this hasn't boded well with the other chat-goers that were banned. 1:21 Forerunner yeah - relations between both wikis have been souring for a while 1:21 GarouxBloodline I'd rather this not turn into animosity. People hold grudges, I'm sure you know. And the last thing I need is to run damage control because more of our users really do start planning on trolling or chat invading. Especially these days. We're still waiting for Fallout 4. We have a lot of users who just sit in chat all day. So they get bored. Easier to provoke. 1:22 Forerunner I myself am only an admin on that wiki because the users who forked to another website made me one to prevent Wikia bringing in new admins (they also planned on unblocking a troll and making him a bureaucrat to prevent the wiki from becoming successful) 1:23 GarouxBloodline Yes, I remember that. That was an interesting time. Mostly, I'm just glad to see Blue gone. He was the one I had troubles with last time I attempted to join the community. Yeah, Wikia tend not to have very good judgment. They've tried unbanning many vandals and flame-baiters here as well. 1:27 Forerunner It does show that they respond to their Contact mail, though 1:27 GarouxBloodline Is there anything specific you wanted to know? I'm about to get off, so we'd better flesh out the details. 1:28 Forerunner I was investigated once when a user had me reported for unjust use of rollback privileges. The 'unjust' use was me reverting his worthless trivia about how some characters can whistle and others have their whistle-abilities unknown to the viewer. Oh, I'm fine now - just wanted to check how many of the users who visited Halo Nation were malicious. 1:29 GarouxBloodline I'm sort of infamous around here for being the bane of speculation. So I know how you feel. I get quite a lot of hate mail over me removing some worthless speculation of how this guy has a nose that looks like Kevin Bacon's or something. Well, the chat logs were uploaded at Halo Nations. Look through them yourself. It shows that none of us were hostile. Even Denis was quite tame. 1:30 Forerunner we introduced an anti-trivia policy on Halo Nation - "X looks like Y" is no longer allowed. (it failed to get to Halo Nation :p ) 1:30 GarouxBloodline We have a Fallout dev that answers questions over FormSpring. So we require people to confirm speculation through him. xD 1:30 Forerunner Seems good enough; we've only used Twitter to get answers. It gets awkward if the user wants to hide his identity, though 1:31 GarouxBloodline :P I've got to go though. Just two more things I'd like to mentioned though: I really hope this is discussed and not just swept under the rug. I hate making waves, but I also hate users who abuse their extra tools because they feel as if those tools give them power. Second, I'd like for you to talk to Techno. 1:32 Forerunner Well, I can't think of anything else to say, so I'll let you go on your merry way 1:32 GarouxBloodline Read my message to him over my talk-page to see my concerns. He's lied about Wikia involvement, which concerns me. 1:32 Forerunner T3CHNO from Halo Nation? 1:32 GarouxBloodline Yes. 1:33 Forerunner I will do 1:33 GarouxBloodline Don't know about you guys, but we tend to take it pretty seriously when people lie about Wikia responses and involvements. Anyways, have a good one. Sorry for taking up so much of your time.
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