Talk:Flood Juggernaut

Speculation
Some theories put forward by fans

*Prophits*
I think that the Juggernaut is an infected form of a prophit.--NIGHTMARE


 * I don't see the similarity. -- Dragonc laws ( talk ) 21:03, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Dragonclaws The prophets are too small for them to become a juggernaut. Perhaps It's a mixture between combat forms? --Deathfrye

Hunters

 * See article
 * Wow why would people think it's a Hunter, that is prety stupid.--prophit of war 14:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Could it be that is is a SPARTAN-II that was infected?
 * No. Spartans, enhanced though they may be, are still just human. That thing is pretty inhuman, and much bigger than the Chief. -- Dragonc laws ( talk ) 19:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I still think there hunters ... some reasons :

1. if you watch the 'YouTube Flood Juggernaut fight video' you can see that there are 2 juggernauts, and hunters also 'work' in pairs.

2. maybe hunters also have tentacles, you can't see because they have always a heavy armor.

3. the form of the juggernaut doesn't need to be like the form of a hunter because hunters appear to be composed of multiple organisms that exists within the hunter armor.


 * These multiple organisms are each about the size of the infection forms, have no calcium stores for the Flood to feed on, and even if the Flood could infest them the Juggernaut doesn't look like a worm colony. -- Dragonc laws ( talk ) 19:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * because of the possibilities, the flood juggernaut could be mixed with other hosts (for the ribs) and were strong and big enough to absorb the hunter (amourless of course), to have the hunters brain pattern, aggresiveness of the brute, higher jumping like other F C forms... fludz &#39;carnttuchmee 14:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

My best guess is that the juggernaut is actually the prototype for the pure tank form. Think about it R+ GOTTLOS
 * IT CANT BE A HUNTER because hunters are a "hive" of smaller worm like creatures formed together to make the hunter and is stated on halopedia's hunter page that it is in fact impossible for a hunter to be infected

Old Tank Form?
Old Tank Form? or Another Pure Form? --þ†öWè®¥ ^ (UNSC Fleetcom)(UNSC History)(UNSC Mision Log) 02:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Combination of several Combat Forms?
Some fans also believe it could be a combined form of several Combat Forms.

Natural Life Cycle of Flood?
It could also be a more mature stage of the Flood, since Flood do age into Carrier Forms over time, this could be the stage after Combat but before Carrier, hence its shape.
 * Yes, I was thinking something along the lines of a more advanced/fully mutated Combat form as well.

Mobile Brain Form?
Is it possible the Juggernaut is a mobile Brain Form? It is phsyically similar to the form seen on the Truth and Reconcilation which infected Captain Keyes. --CrzyAznSprtn 16:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Why would they use it for fighting then?


 * Perhaps that's why Bungie removed the Juggernaut or maybe they're like extensions of the Gravemind so his control of the Flood can stretch further. Who know's, I was just thinking.

--CrzyAznSprtn 16:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * There is a distinct possibility that the Juggernauts are the flood infection form of the Engineers. There is a startling resemblance in the shape of the central body, number of tentacles (four on the Engineer, two on each side of the Juggernaut at the base of the larger tentacles), and both species were deleted from the game. However another theory is It is made of multiple flood As the foot appears to be a Human Combat Form

IS it Drinol?
POV stuff about it not being a Drinol. There's is no current official explanation for what a Juggernaut is, so don't add what you think. Personally, I think its just a bunch of Carriers combined, but I'm not going to add that, because its speculation. Irkallabyss


 * I don't think it's a Drinol but if it's an Engineer they're non combatent maybe the flood modify their bodies like if a lifeforms body is useless to the flood they modify them probably. I mean the flood human forms are abveously modified with their heads like that. So maybe that's it I admit it's speculation.--prophit of war 22:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it's a Drinol, because remember how the carrier forms are disfigured grunts? Well it looks like it could just be very disfigured with tentacles where its arms should be, but instead of sprouting from the arms like most combat forms, this case it totally replaces them. Or, maybe it's an entirely new species.--FRAG3TH


 * Too bad they don't show the flood changing creatures ingame--prophit of war 15:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure they're not Drinol because Drinol are probably bigger than that. You know, on the H2 CE dvd they said it's to big to fight and you're able to fight the juggernaut.--prophit of war 18:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's an engineer either, engineers are described as floating gaseous blobs, this thing has legs and a rib cage. Yes, the flood can alter a body, but I doubt they could alter the entire sekeltal structure.  My guess is that Bungie wanted a super strong Flood form, but couldn't think of any host to stick it into, so they cut it.  24.254.47.90 01:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Could it be a Sharquoi?

Possibly....

I think it's a Drinol/Sharquoi (since they're probably the same thing). I don't think it can be an engineer because they don't have legs. -- Lordofmonsterisland  "Roar to me"  14:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Are they Brutes?

 * It's a flood brute
 * I don't think so, they look to big.--prophit of war 14:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe that was why they were deleted
 * if a carrier is bigger than a grunt/jackel/etc, then it could be a flood brute fludz &#39;carnttuchmee 16:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Offspring of Gravemind
I think it could be either an offspring of gravemind or even a pre-mature form. It has tentacles like gravemind. Kerek 03:24, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, the Juggernaughts are pure Flood, nothing else and HUNTERS DO NOT HAVE A RIB CAGE the juggernught however does. and they certainly aren't brutes or a infected spartan. If it was a spartan where did it come from? and to prove they aren't Hunters we must bring up the worm thing. a hunter is just a bunch of small tiny worms... Bakas...

Duskstorm 16:20, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * hold on, ***checks flood database***, the juggernaut cannot be made of "pure" flood, the only "pure" flood is the infection forms, and unless they take a brute-sized pack of steroids, the infection forms will not grow to a flood juggernaut! (otherwise flood infection forms wouldn't need a host) fludz &#39;carnttuchmee 17:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Oversized drone
to me, the third-top-left looks like a drone; thin legs, sensors sprouting out of the mouth, it would be too heavy to fly, drones could have a bigger adult form?

also, it's got a reason for the low amount of flood juggernauts in the vid for spawning... flood infection forms can't fly nor jump very high...

i think that the drone has bones, there's no bendy legs on the drone...

Where is it
Where is it? I'm probably the only one here who can survive the entire game on legiondary without dying, ever! Ah I love Invincibility cheats plus being able to turn the skulls off and on before I play, well anyway I wanta fight it. So can somebody tell me where the hell it is. It looks like a good way to test how powerfull my cheats are.--prophit of war 22:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Bungie cut it out, but left the data in the disc. You have to mod it into a level. BTW, someone beat the whole game on Legendary without dying once, and he did it without mods. Although, he did take shortcuts Bungie probably didn't intend. --Dragonclaws 23:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, shortcuts, although I used cheats but still that Juggernaut in that video looked powerful and thats what I meant. But since my brother does the mods and I do the cheats, I guess I can't beat it since my brother won't mod for me after he deletes them, untill he puts them back atleast.--prophit of war 14:29, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

So can you get it without modding?

Halo 3
"And some big thing" I remember being in a halo 3 interveiw about what we will be fighting, GASP! a new species!

Anyways its more likely that its a combo of multiple forms. --Lt.O&#39;Brien 16:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Modding Halo 2
I know that there are a lot of things you can do with the mods, (like the gold warthog) but how do you actually mod the game? It isnt out on the PC, so do you have to mod the xbox, or the actual disk?


 * I don't know the specifics, but you do have to open up your Xbox and tinker with it. Due to the abuse of mods, Xbox Live will automatically ban the account of anyone using a modded Xbox, which is why modders like to have two. Dojorkan's a modder, and could probably answer any other questions you have about it. -- Dragonc laws ( talk ) 10:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Modding your xbox allows you to copy and FTP the .map files to your PC. Then you can use apps found at the utilities section of halomods to actually tinker with the .map files. --Dojorkan 12:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Or you can just download mods into your chip hm? thats what I do. user:the evil O,malley

In Halo 3
my theory is that the flood Juggernaut will be in Halo 3 here's why:

1.On the the halo 2 bonus dvd where it talks about the characters that were cut out there is no mention of the Juggernaut. Possibly meaning it wasnt completely cut out of the series game-wise.

2. Frankie talks about playing campaign and gives us a list of things he sees. at one point he mentions a large bad guy in the backround.

3. It is also said there will be a new enemy "larger than a grunt". It didnt say around the size of a grunt but larger. This is to keep us guessing at it's true size.

My guess is Bungie was pushed to release halo 2 a lot and thay didnt have time to finnish the death animation of the juggernaut so they had to take him out but chose to not mention him in the hopes of surprising us with it in Halo 3.-Guy who like Elites.

Agreed. I bet we'll see it in Halo 3 at some point. If not, I think the flood will be pretty boring unless they get a MAJOR overhaul (like the Brutes... now that I think of it, OMG!!! Nightmare scenario: the Flood in Halo 3 are even tougher than the Brutes.

"Flood tougher than Brutes"?
 * Nightmare scenario = yes
 * Chance to prove how awesome you are = totally
 * Make you need to wash your pants = obviously

-- Lordofmonsterisland "Roar to me"  23:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Well... Halo 3 is out, and, well. YOUr therie was wrong, UNLESS!!! Its a Halo 2 Tank form!! --þ†öWè®¥ ^ (UNSC Fleetcom)(UNSC History)(UNSC Mision Log) 22:32, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Flood Juggernaut a mass of bodies
The flood juggernaut could be a mass of bodies formed just like a brain form but made just for combat hey just tell me what you think

Theroy
First off they didn't have it on the deleted disc because it is a Halo 3 specias. Reveling who the host is will ruin the suprise. If it was a spartan it would look like a Human combat form with a few tanish pieces of Mjolinir, hunters is impossible. Now engieners 50/50 probility but only made up if diffrent hosts. Brutes are too small but even though they can alter their host they can't add that much power to a flood form. So most likly a new or unheard of deleated speacis is the host or multiple host. The Consumed   ,The Dead   ,and Living  02:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

All of you are idiots
Its so obvious....a Juggernaut is just a bunch of Flood put together...--User:JohnSpartan117 05:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Were not stupid! That was along time ago NOOB!! The Evil O&#39;malley 05:46, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Nice. Have a flame war over stupidity and misspell "we're".-- ΓΣH  ÜBΣR  Ð1G1P4ΓÐ   19:17, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Mabie starting out as a Carrier form. I see a resemblance --þ†öWè®¥ ^ (UNSC Fleetcom)(UNSC History)(UNSC Mision Log) 22:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Forerunner
It could be a forerunner. Or the remanis of a forerunner that they copied using the same method that they use to make brain or command flood.

I was about to say the same thing... It has bones and Flood do not have bones...

Bloodstar 19:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

You are right, the Flood don't have bones, but the organisms they infect do.-- ΓΣH  ÜBΣR  Ð1G1P4ΓÐ   19:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, it could very well be Bungie wanting to show us what an infected Forerunner looked like Heroic Wolf

What is Absolutely Known
For more information, one can just go to page 142 of The Art of Halo and read the fine print. (The Juggernaut is older than "Dervish"!) -- ΓΣH  ÜBΣR  Ð1G1P4ΓÐ   15:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Juggernaut on Oracle?
In the article is says that a Juggernaut form on the level the Oracle is visible below the floor. I have seen what is supposed to the Juggernaut, but I don't believe it's a Juggernaut. For one thing, it doesn't look to be tall enough to be a Juggernaut form. Also, it don't have the shape of a Juggernaut form. Would someone else look this up and tell me what they think? 14:49, 10 July 2007

Ive also tried to see it and in my opinion its not a juggernaut but just infected elite combat forms, but since wikis dont support opinion Im SOL

Yeah I put up the first comment. It's elite combat forms. I don't know who said it was a Juggernaut. With somebody modding to see through the glass, (which i'm sure so one will) we may never know 100%. Trooper117 23:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Try Dojorkan. If there's anyone on Halopedia who can get a view from beneath the glass, he's probably the man to go to. --The Dark Lord Azathoth 23:59, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Its not a jug there, you can sword cancle through the glass, everything in that room is a combat form because you can kill them and break the bodies, no juggernaut as they don't break. --Pileyourbodies 01:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Theory: Juggernaut is an ammasment of bodies
I think the Juggernaut is a collection of several differnt combat forms, much as how a Brain form is formed. The Juggernaut is far too big to be a Brute and impossible and still to big for a Hunter. I've noticed it sports strange features, the feet seem like Grunt feet or something coming from the Brute, the leg structure resembles nothing we know of, but how it's formed is like an Elite, but may be unrelated. it may just be for the extended jump height(they jump like 30 feet in the air). An amassment may also explain the several tentacles in the "brain" portion. Also note how the body looks so incomplete. As if it can be "filled up"

I will try and post a final version tomarrow, and I have some devcam screenshots that could help. User: HaloFighter92

That theory may actually be true... It appears to be like a brute with combined with engineers.AJ 00:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

There is no juggernaut on Oracle
Just to clear it up, there is no juggernaut on Oracle. I looked in the spot under the glass where people think it's at via devcam, but it's not there. user:HaloFighter92

There is something down there though... it was big... I saw something when I played that level.AJ 00:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

How could you see anything? To me the floor is frosted over worse than a window on a cold morning. -- Lordofmonsterisland "Roar to me"  00:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

It is frosted; but you can see the outline of something big. I did. You can see it with like a whole bunch of combat forms and carrier forms around it and the thing is killing elites.AJ 00:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

No, I used a devcam, as in I disconnected the camera from Arbiter and I went through the glass and looked everywhere in the room, I even freezed it just to make sure nothing disappeared. The juggernaut wasn't even tagged for that level, as my freind found out, no spawn points and no coding for it to appear on that level. But it was set to be on High Charity, it was in there but no spawns were made for it. user: HaloFighter92

Ah... nice. well, i did see something big... but ah well. you proved that it does not exist... can you post the pics?AJ 02:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I could, but it's nothing interesting, really. It's just like the other room after the elevator ride just without the things with the turrets on them and such, no windowed parts either. I did make one (here) to view a Flood Combat Form in the heavy fog. In fact that might've been what you saw was big, merely a Combat form leaping and with the heavy fog you might of think it was a large creature user: HaloFighter92

Yeah I don't know who put that on the page, but they needed to look into it more. I personally watched the battle below the glass serval times and everytime I saw something big, but not big enough to be the Juggernaut. Trooper117 17:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

What if the flood juggernaut was like a special type of infection form that could infect several things? a or it could be like a carrier,or what if it was a flood infected Forunner? with Halo you never know! From General Tater

A Walking corpse Pile
what if juggernauts were like a grave mine or a flood brain. both are made of multiple corpses collected by the flood just like in The Last Voyage of the Infinite Succor in the Halo Graphic Novel. --Hydraman 21:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Pure Form?
The Halo 3 Bestarium suggests a Flood "Pure Form." Perhaps the Juggernaut is linked to this somehow. -- Hunter-113 12:54, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added a section called Pure Form to the Flood article talking about the Pure Form. If there is confirmation that the Juggernaut is a Pure Form, someone will need to merge those sections later. -- Darth Batrus 13:59, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * could the flood juggernaut be the pure form tank type flood? [[Image:Halo_Scarab_Large.jpg|35px]] Fludz 'Carnttuchmee Kamekazi eliteGrunty friends! 15:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Probably.Trooper117 20:59, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

The tank form was probably inspired by this guy.--The Evil O&#39;malley 19:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Easily, they perform the same role as you would expect. They also both have the sharp things at the end of their arms. And my screenshot of the Defensive "X" postion suggests it needed to heavily protect its "head" Kinda like the Tank Form in Halo 3.User:HaloFighter92

A pure form is 'Pure', as in completely flood constructed. Many people have commented that a pair of ribs are clearly visible on them. I think of the two forms as cheese. Fresh cheese as newly converted milk, to combat forms as newly converted life; then reconstituted spray cheese (i.e. Kraft), to reconstituted flood cells. =P 01:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

True Proto-Gravemind?
I know they're currently calling the brain forms from Halo:CE and the HGN 'proto-Graveminds,' but wouldn't this be a better explanation than amalgamated variants of infected hosts? I mean, you have the tentacles and the core body with a prominent aperture/orifice. Granted, it's not exactly Mr. Little Shop of Horrors, but it's still close.

This could be a larval (immature) Gravemind form. You can explain portions of the anatomy by referring to the LF.Xx.3273 Flood Super Cell, as Flood have demonstrated an ability to "arrange these FSCs to mimic any organ they might need."

It shares some visual traits with the Pure Tank form, but not exclusively.

Just more speculation to add to the mix.

~Leonidas-001

Infected Huragok
Think about it, they could be infected Huragoks, comprised of a few biped bodies, a Huragok, and another creature. They are slightly bulbous, and have tentacles. 1001Human 20:46, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

That can't be true. Huragoks are not lifeforms, they are made of microscopic "nanorobots" that form together enough for them to resemble skin. Besides, huragok don't have legs.lovemuffin 22:26, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Heres an important question, are they even canon?
After all they were cut, and they are not mentioned in any Canon Material. So I can't see how they are Canon. SilverSword 17:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Could it of been held back
Left on the covenant home world but be just a modified version of Hunter(two of them) cross Elite ? so has The elites brain smarts & the double strength & durability of two Hunters but why was it left out of halo 3 would have been a cool boss .. . Praetor HellionVulcan 12:59, 20 May 2008 (UTC)