Talk:Sangheili

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Getting rid of the clutter?I'm not surprised with a species that's so great people wanna talk about everything Sangheili--Sangheili wunna be 05:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

sang hei li... li sang hei... "weird" in korean.. lawl?

Halo Wars Cinematics
Most people say that the Elites in Halo Wars' cutscenes are flawed due to excessive stylization; just listen to reason.

While it seems that almost everyone belives the blue Elites that assault Red Team on the Apex are Honor Guards, I'd like to point a few things out.


 * 1) They are seen decloaking; of course, Honor Guards can use Active Camo.
 * 2) They wear light blue armor, as do Combat Evolved-era Stealth Elites. Minor armor is a deeper shade of blue.
 * 3) They don't have shields, just like Combat Evolved-era Stealth Elites.
 * 4) Who says you have to be an Honor Guard to wield one of those staves? They aren't the ceremonial kind used on High Charity.

There's more: As seen in Halo Wars: Genesis, Ripa 'Moramee's personal troops all wear crimson armor, ostensibly making them Majors. The soldiers of the enemy clan are bedecked in gold armor; apparently, these are the clans' colors, rather than Major/Zealot colors - it is a clan-to-clan fight on a Sangheili world, after all. Why, then, would the red-clad Honor Guards seem to be assigned to him, rather than Regret, as they return to the Apex after escorting the Hierarch to his ship? What's more, why don't they put Ripa down when he draws a weapon next to Regret, which is supposed to warrant immediate termination? Maybe it's because they knew he was not a threat to the Prophet; however, they might have been some of 'Moramee's own troops.

As for the more normal Elites seen in the cutscenes: the ones seen in the Relic are Spec-ops Elites, not Stealth Elites, while the the blue ones in the intro are minors, and the one who stabs the marine is either a Stealth or Spec-ops.

Hopefully, this will be a topic of legitimate discussion, as it could really improve the Halo Wars sections of a few articles. --&quot;A government strong enough to give you everything you want...is strong enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson 22:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Is it me or is the people that can spell Sangheili without looking it up seem to know more about the halo series than people who cant spell Sangheili??--Sangheili wunna be 11:47, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Image
I recently edited the page to include information on the Elites "roaring" animation in Halo 2 and 3, and I would like to add an image of such (from Halo 3) to the page.... but I am a noob in such matters and figured it might be better for somebody else to do so. Would anybody be willing to do this (I have the image on my computer already)?


 * I don't have the time right now, but tomorrow I can guide you through the process. In the meantime, head to Help:Images for help on uploading images and adding them to articles, and use Special:Upload for the actual uploading stuff. When uploading an image, the description can and should use wiki-formatting (links, etc.) to describe what's in the page. If you could head to my profile and post a link to this talk page as a comment, that'd be helpful as a reminder. [[Image:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]]  DavidJCobb  02:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Here is the image in question: Is there something wrong with it, should I find a different one? (I have several). It got deleted as soon as I put it on the page. - Metalingus627


 * Firstly, it is reverted, not deleted. Secondly, the article has enough images, so please don't add new images unless it is from an upcoming game.-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 21:17, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Question
Hello, I am Tucker's Creator. I’m new to this wiki and have yet to climb up the long social ladder here, but I have a question about Elites that I’d like to ask here: Have female elites ever been featured? Every name Elite I’ve seen (so far) is male and even those who are unnamed appear to display male characteristics (from a human perspective of course.) Thank you and please answer(More questions are on my userpage.)Tuckerscreator 00:12, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * The first female Elite mentioned is Sanj'ik from the Halo Wars site. Unfortunately, as of yet no female elite has been seen 'visually'.  *fingers crossed the Halo Encyclopidia does*.Zeno &#39;Ribal 02:05, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for answering. Actually I just read that apparently in the Halo 3 multiplayer, if you play as an Elite, you can choose to make them female, though this just changes the voice-over, not the model, and the multiplayer is non-canon anyway. Good for me, because I came with a REALLY weird idea for Elite females not too long ago.Tuckerscreator 02:21, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

"And in fact they are so alike in voice and appearance, they are often mistaken for Sangheili men. This has given rise to the belief that there are no Sangheili women, and that we simply spring out of holes in the ground! Which of course is ridiculous"

- Field Master 'Gimlee

Sorry, couldn't resist :D

For a long time, there was debate about whether the Sangheili even had two genders. Some speculated that they asexually reproduced. Even when Bungie confirmed that Sangheili took mates, they refused to believe it, and spun off on wild tangents about eggs coming out of mouths and other wierdness. San'jik, and then The Cole Protocol, thankfully put a stop to that. -- ' Administrator  Specops306  -  Qur'a 'Morhek ''  Honour Light Your Way! ''' 04:18, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I did come up with this one theory that involved Elite females being three-inch long bloodsuckers. But maybe Bungie's keeping secret for some reason. Maybe they have something planned... Or maybe they're just lazy.Tuckerscreator 19:54, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Metric system
The Metric system is the standard measurement for length, weight and mass in the UNSC, most countries uses it. Stop reverting the edits, the Elite's weight should be expressed in kilograms, and the height in metres or centimetres. The world doesn't evolve around America, only America uses the ancient imperial system. The Metric system is used in the UNSC, and in all games. Freaking vandals. Baryon15 17:00, November 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, well the measurements in most official canon sources are measured using the English system, and in any case, both measurement systems are often shown in articles. Stop re-adding them - either add it alongside what's already there or leave it completely alone altogether.  Smoke Sound off! 17:02, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, if they haven't been mentioned in the Halo Universe, they don't get an article and are not to be added into an article. You'd better read this for reference. - Commander Silver Leaf.PNG Nìcmávr  ( Tálk ) 17:04, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * As per Smoke. Also,  parameter doesn't exist, so please stop adding it to the template.-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 17:12, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

No, you're wrong. In Halo: CE, in both the manual and in-game, the metric system has been used. The NAV marker measures the distance in metres, not feet. Same thing in Halo 3, in game, in the manual and in the beastarium. And I HAD the english system alongside the metric system, but the metric system should be placed infront of the english system. Most nations in the world uses the metric system, and The fall of Reach uses the metric system exclusively, so does The Flood, First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx, Contact Harvest, and the Halo encyclopedia. The only offical canon source that uses the english system is the Cole Protocol, which is just one of its many flaws (the Elites in that book also uses human measuring). You moderators are freaking trångsynta idioter.

And look at the field guide for Halo 3, ODST, http://www.bungie.net/projects/odst/guide.aspx, ONLY METRIC MEASUREMENT. The Metric measurement should be written before the english measurement. In contact harvest, the caliber of the stanchion is measured in milimetres. etc. You're just being patriotic by adding the English system, and removing the metric measurements. The metric system should come first, while the english system should be written after in a. Baryon15 19:58, November 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Uh, no, you will put it in exactly as you are told - whatever is there first, STAYS first. I don't give a damn whether it's imperial measurement OR metric measurement - if it was there first, it STAYS first, understand me? Also, my other message that was here still goes - I catch you edit warring again and you will go away for six months. You have received enough warnings. You might want to cut out the stupid insults too - don't act like no one here can't understand you.  Smoke Sound off! 20:13, November 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Haha, you just can't admit that you're wrong, the Cole Protocol is the only canon source that still uses English measurement. Any civilization in the future would be smart enough to see the benefits of the metric system over the English. No country adopts the English system anymore, but more and more are starting to use the metric system. The metric system would be the correct one to use, and you know it, but as long as -rseholes like you are in charge of Halopedia, patriotism goes first, and I'm so afraid of your threats, does that improve your self-esteem? Baryon15 20:20, November 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * I said you could do both the FIRST time around, IN THE ORDER SPECIFIED. In one of your edits, you removed the Imperial measurement. Now, if you want to keep up the stupid comments about "patriotism" and the petty insults, you will be out of here. Keep being stupid and see where it gets you.  Smoke Sound off! 20:25, November 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * "-rsehole, right? Good, go away.  Smoke Sound off! 20:27, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Umm... crazy thought. Can't we just post measurements in both metric and imperial? Of course we can. That way everybody's happy.--Rusty - 112 02:31, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * From reading the posts, I think (and may be wrong) that the issues are:
 * Baryon switching the order so metric comes first
 * Baryon removing (some of?) the English measurements
 * Baryon insulting people in a rather immature manner.
 * The problem is that switching the order isn't really allowed, I don't think -- whatever order was used when the article was created, I think, stays. There's also a rule against editing a page exclusively to change the dialect between American and British English, though I don't quite remember where I read that. [[Image:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] DavidJCobb  03:02, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * If you noticed, Rusty, I said he could do both. That was before SHTF.  Smoke Sound off! 20:19, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any actual policy on changing measurements and spelling to english, or which is "preferred", but we do discourage it. Heavily. Forerunner has a blog up on the issue, and I agree with it, but it's not actual hard policy. But it is very minor editing, and adds little that is constructive to the article. Since the majority of our viewers and most of our members are from the US, which uses the Imperial system and has different (read - strange) spelling, that's what we use. It's not better, it's just tailored to our demographic. As for Baryon's point on whether the UNSC use the Metric or the Imperial system, I don't think we know, nor do I care - until there is a character that explicitly says something along the lines of "I can't believe they used to use feet or inches," we don't know that the Imperial system has been abandoned. Metric is convenient, but Imperial has its advantages too.

And can I just ask something? We have Subtank, Manticore and myself as part of the administration who live in decidedly non-American parts of the world. Why would the decision to use both measurements be "patriotism"? And can patriotism even encompass units of measurement? --  Administrator  Specops306  -   Qur'a 'Morhek   07:20, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't see how it does. He hates Americans and Westerners in general, as far as I can tell from his previous conflicts with others.  Smoke Sound off! 20:19, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

I got confused once people started saying about how this was involved in patriotism. I use Australian spelling and grammar in real life, but on halopedia I am constantly undoing edits from people who wish to change it from American spelling. Does that make me unpatriotic? In any case, the English system was used here first, so it takes importance over the metric system. If you get told multiple times to leave it, then leave it. If it decided that it would be more efficient to use both, then use both. Also FYI Byron: "Halopedia is not a democracy". ~ Now You Know, ~  That Flattery Will Get You Nowhere. ~ 07:46, November 4, 2009 (UTC)Blade bane

If the Immperial/English system is still used in the UNSC, it's scarcly. The only canon source that uses the English system is the Cole Protocol, but Buckell made many mistakes regarding measurements in that book, the Elites, for exmaple, used inches, hours and years instead of units and cycles. The Encylopedia uses both, but that is because it is written from outside the universe (if you know what I mean, english not first language, soz), unlike the books and games.

So canon sources that uses the metric system: The Fall of Reach, The Flood, First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx, Contact Harvest, Halo: CE, Halo 3, Halo 3: ODST. Manuals from Halo:CE,2,3,ODST,Halo Wars use metric system. The field guides from Halo 3/odst uses the metric system.

Canon sources that uses the imperial/english system: The Cole Protocol.

Canon sources that uses both: The Halo encyclopadia. I think it is pretty safe to assume that the metric system is the standard system, which we all know will be true in a few decades, giving the advantages and determinism that the metric system offers. So in my opinion, the system should go like this: Metric (imperial).

+ Baryon didn't remove the English system in any of the articles, except for Elites, which only had the imperial system before lol. And many races didn't have both until he edited, but he should still be banned for his immature insults. 217.21.233.2 11:46, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Also, could you add both systems to this page? 217.21.233.2 11:48, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, the article is locked.--  Fore  run  ner  15:16, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * I forgot to unprotect it. Have at it.  Smoke Sound off! 20:13, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Not to beat a dead horse, but since everyone is being so technical shouldn't weight be expressed as Mass times Gravity (m/s2), since varying gravity on worlds and ships would consequently affect the weight of the object, shouldn't we just stick to Mass. As for measurements of distance, both the Metric and Imperial systems are arbitrary creations (though metric's integration is far superior with the rest of the system), and since no single choice appeals to every one I believe we should begin using Smoot (look it up) for all measurements of length, height and distance. No one will be happy and sure it's ridiculous, but hey, isn't this entire argument. I mean if the admins want it one way, deal with it. No system is perfect and unless everyone takes advanced classes in physics, it really doesn't matter what system you use. You could as well measure in M&Ms. --14:09, November 5, 2009 (UTC)Spamhammer

LOL on this Baryon guy. His basic argument is Mother Russia shall control all! I guess he must have forgotten that Halo was by AMERICANS who live in AMERICA. I know, its shocking.

Female elite?
In the preview for duel, that I saw in Waypoint there's the presence of a female maybe Sangheili or San 'Shyuum and if she is an elite can someone put an image? (190.12.153.187 18:51, November 16, 2009 (UTC))

Sangheili Vision
It is stated within the article that the Heretic Leader comments on the poor binocular vision of his species, but I can't help but wonder if this is an actual statement that he makes or if it is a misinterpretation of the line "the Elites are blind, Arbiter..."

It is my understanding that the Heretic Leader's proclamation as to the Elite's blindness is in reference to their decision to follow the Covenant, and is not an actual comment on their eyesight.

For clarification, I  am not  disputing the possibility that Elites have poor binocular vision. I am merely stating that, in my personal experience, the Heretic Leader does not comment on their eyesight.

Anything supporting or negating this would be welcome.

76.92.184.223 07:51, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * That anyone would infer that from his statement is ridiculous. I've removed it from the article. --  Administrator  Specops306  -   Qur'a 'Morhek   08:53, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Light of Sanghelios
Honor Guard Ultra

''Rarely seen, the Honor Guard Ultras or "Light of Sanghelios" are the highest ranking guardians of a Prophet. Typically called "Helios," these soldiers will manage standard Honor Guards in many encounters, but if needed, they would gladly die to protect a Prophet.''

- From the Halo Encyclopedia.

Unless there's anything to contradict it, it seems these two ranks are the same thing. - TheLostJedi  13:12, 29 December 2009 (GMT)

HALO WARS ELITES
Are the elites in halo wars a sub-groupSPARTAN - 300 00:22, January 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, they're just shorter.--  Fore  run  ner  00:23, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

artistic liscence...

CHANGE PICTURE
I think that we should update the pictures of elites to Halo 3, Halo Reach, or any other newer Halo game including elites. but we can keep pictures of Halo 2/Halo:CE elites. I just think we need more newer pics.
 * Problem is that the current ones might not be the finalised version. The ones from the Bestiarum would do just fine for now.外国 人 (7alk ) 04:34, January 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not to mention there's the problem that some of the ranks haven't appeared since Halo 2 (i.e. Ultras)--Emblem 1.jpg<font color="Blue">Rusty <font color="Red">- <font color="Blue">112 05:03, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we may keep the rank pics that dont show in any other Halo game, and we may keep older ones for to show what they look like back then.SalemElliot 07:20, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Elites/multiplayer
I know I'm reading too much into this picture but I think the Elites are still usable in multiplayer in Reach. The screenshot from Reach has an elite wielding a Plasma pistol with a Plasma rifle as his secondary weapon. We all know (or should know) that although Elites have plasma pistol animations in all the games they never spawn with them in normal gameplay, hence any Elites running around with Plasma pistol are probably in multiplayer. The argument I have set up also applies to the fact that all previous game AI characters have only spawned with one weapon. The only exceptions to this rule are the Arbiter AI in Halo 3 and the developer-controlled Brute biped in the ODST firefight trailer(the Brute at the very beginning that fires into the air and then gets smashed by a HEV)-explanation the brute looks into the air and fires randomly at the HEV, if you look closely in HD you can see that it has Brute Plasma Rifle as its primary weapon and a Plasma Pistol as a secondary weapon on its thigh- Brutes in normal gameplay never have two weapons except the one Plasma cannon wielding brute in The Storm, but its secondary weapon is a spiker and it only has it so it won't weaponless if it boards your vehicle. In conclusion unless there has been some kind of super overhaul AI, especially enemy AI never have two weapons in all the Halo games. Wow this post got Way too big sorry for the rambling super post. Guardians-117 22:40, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Combat section
What is the point of this section its basic message is shooting Elites with weapons in the game kills them. It is excessively long and has no real point. If every weapon has the ability to kill Elites do we really need to have a list of the situations in which they are effective. The individual weapons already detail the tactics for their use. I find this section excessive. I know my rare posts are also excessive. Guardians-117 22:51, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

One question
How come the new image of the Halo: Reach elite shows him with a plasma pistol, because I doubt they would ever use it in campaign, does this mean they will be again available in multiplayer (190.12.153.187 16:38, January 29, 2010 (UTC))
 * Probably just a coincidence with the image. Sangheili are capable of wielding a Plasma Pistol, though they never do so in capaign normally. Perhaps they will be available in multiplayer, though I'm not positively sure. - Major.png Nìcmávr  ( Tálk  ) 16:41, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * In the first Level of Halo 2 you can engage a Sangheili who is wielding two Plasma Pistols. ND
 * What are you talking about? I've never seen an Elite with pp in any game.