Talk:Armor Permutations

IMPORTANT - Armour Permutations: Split this page up?
This article is getting too big.

SUGGESTION: Split into "Armor Permutations" article for Halo 3 & Halo 3: ODST, and a seperate "Armory" article for Halo: Reach.

The two subjects are too big to fit onto the same page, without cluttering it.

--14 August 2010

I agree. This page is getting way to large.One who survived 23:09, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

who removed the halo reach pilot armor? and more inportantly, why was it removed?One who survived 18:29, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

-> Unrelated but no need for a new topic, I just signed up to add in that EOD Armour Second Stage Helmet costs 5000cR.

I also just added about the last two Halo: REACH helmet types (Military Police and CQB) and Halo Waypoint, giving an example. I added this before the REACH Table of variants. OptiMAT 08:07, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

-> Update, EOD Stage 3 costs 3000cR

Unclassified chestplate?
in the main picture on this page, the thumbnails for the recon and serrity armors, there is bodyarmor that is not identified. what is this? recon armor? either way it needs to be investegated and edited.

After spending several minutes trying to figure out what the hell your on about, you just talking about, it doesn't matter, its the recon Chestplate, and that iamge needs to be removed, its terrible...--Ajax 013 20:51, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Problem
How do you unlock these armors in multiplayer without xbox live?


 * You don't. Pure and simple. Pyromancer 14:34, 21 October 2007 (UTC) No, you can unlock some without xbox live such as hayabusa E.O.D and E.V.A. also there are some more you can unlock without xbox live

I have over 1000g between halo 3 and ODST and i have the security shulders but not the helmet. whats up with that? also its not that you need these points in halo 3 because i dont have 750 on halo 3 by itself. Lizardassassin 17:11, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Guests Can Unlock Armor
I wanted to see if a guest could unlock any armor in Halo 3 so I signed one in and went for the one non-achievement related armor, the Hayabusa. After collecting 5 skulls the Hayabusa Chest piece had been unlocked for the guest. After collecting 9 skulls, the Hayabusa Shoulders had been unlocked for the guest. I did NOT get the remaining skulls or attempt to get any achievements with the guest but some armor can be unlocked for guests. I'm not positive if the armor remains unlocked after the guest signs out, but I suspect that it doesn't. Here is an image from the game I used the Hayabusa Guest in, my Live Account is Ninjas in Nikes and the picture is on my profile on bungie.net if verification is needed.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/Legato24/Halo%203/7507271-Medium.jpg

Guests can unlock and keep armor. It's a little obvious, really. There are many people whom don't have Xbox Live so they have to have regular Xbox profiles. Bungie wouldn't want to have underprivelaged people with Halo 3 not be able to enjoy Armor Permutations. E93 01:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

That's a good point but it wasn't exactly what I was talking about. I meant a temporary profile such as the "Guest" profile that is available when you sign in another player.

Inaccuracies in Stated Unlocking Requirements
The Security shoulder armor will not unlock merely by getting 750 points. They only unlock after completing all of the meta-game achievements, the page should be updated to reflect that.


 * Further to that, this was reported:

I had just under 1k achievment points, no Stepp'n Razor and had marathon man when I realised I had mine.LegendStormcrow


 * "Unlocking the Security Shoulders does not require an arbitrary amount of points. Rather, the player must unlock 39 Achievments. Ergo, the points can vary considerably. I can testify to this, since I had 810 points and no shoulders, but then I got my 39th achievement (820 points) and I've had them ever since!"


 * If anyone can link a source that verifies the exact requirements, that would be fantastic. :) -- Manticore  Fleet Admiral.jpg Talk 13:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, as of 10/20/07, the Elite Commando shoulder armor still will not unlock, at least for some.

Its 750 including or in addition to 40 for marathon manSargeLIVES 04:28, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

As of this morning, I have 845 achievement points and 30 achievements unlocked (including Marathon Man), but still don't have Security shoulders -- just FYI. I wonder if the source with 39 achievements had unlocked all the Metagame achievements? (I haven't done any of those.) Thehaikumaster 18:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

--Uberfuzzy 18:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Total Achievements: 31 of 49
 * Total Gamer Score: 845 of 1000
 * meta: 0
 * MM: yes
 * sec shoulders: no

NOTE FROM A GUEST - I do not have 39 Halo 3 achievements, I found that to unlock them - get 750 Achievment points in Halo 3, then complete 1 meta game achievement (I did demon) to unlock them.

MightyMe18 - I don't think that 39 achievements has anything to do with it. Right now I have 30 achievements, 600 gamerscore, and I have the security shoulder pads. I don't have any meta game achievements.

Cha0tiks- for some reason i got all my meta game achievements and the marathon man achievement and no armor. but when i beat campaign on legendary the security shoulders were unlocked :o wierd

Guys. i've got something over 900 GS. i had completed 2 meta achievements after getting 800 GS, and still no shoulders. i had 40 acievements and still no shoulders. it may depend on some of those, but i can assure you that i unlocked my security shoulders upon completion of the "Steppin' Razor" achievement. we really need to work out EXACTLY what the requirements are. JakCurse 21:27, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey guys, something is kinda strange here. My gamertag is Queenlittle55 and I only have 410 gamerscore while I still do have security shoulders. Any explanations? Just curious.

I have the security shoulders with 455 gamerscore, 33/49 achievements. Have marathon man, haven't beaten the game yet. Missing all meta, tilt, blackeye, campaign completes(all), mission 2 and 7 achievements. -- Fanciest Pants

Watexggp_i thinks you got to do marathon man 2 get them thats when they came avilible 4 me and i hednt done no meta then but i did all the meta in the other day

Hello, I have seen many reports of the security shoulders unlocking, then locking shortly after. I have experienced this, but then I reunlocked them by simply getting another achievement. I got the Steppin Razor achievement, but I don't think the actual type of achievement counts. -Note From Guest

righty. i think we need to clear this up. i've got 760 gamerscore from halo, no meta achievements and no security 'pads. im going to do the first level meta (hopefully) and report back on whether i get them. oh, and i've GOT marathon man. add me on XBL (my gamertag is my Halopedia username) if you want to party up and do some of the meta.JakCurse 19:56, 6th January 2008

EDIT- I've now got every achievement, barring "Steppin' Razor", "Overkill" and the metas (exepting Demon, which i've got in the last hour) and 910-ish gamerscore, STILL no security shoulders. this is either seriously bugged or it relies on one of the above achievements. im considering that it may be overkill, as i've seen people with 600 GS and security shoulders, with the majority of my achievements, plus, as i've said, overkill. i've completed the campaign on ledendary, and unlocked marathon man, so it isn't either of those. that, OR they're bugged like the commando shoulders. JakCurse 23:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

2nd EDIT- i've got them. after unlocking the meta achievement for the fourth mission, i still didnt have the shoulders, and that was the fortieth achievement, so it rules the "39" thing out. But today unlocking, "Steppin' Razor" i unlocked the shoulders ^^ as far as i'm concerned, that was the catalyst. JakCurse 21:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I have all but one meta game achievement, no steppin razor, 815 gamerscore from 40 achivements and security shoulders. Agent Tasmania 08:46, September 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Read the timestamps on conversations before you post, Tasmania. DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg DavidJCobb  18:56, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Elite Commando Shoulders
The 02/08/08 update says that Steppin’ Razor unlocks the Commando Shoulders, not Killing Frenzy like the article says. Maybe we should change the article?

"The longstanding “Elite Commando Shoulders aren’t unlocking with the achievement” bug is being resolved in the auto update. The shoulders weren’t unlocking when the Steppin’ Razor achievement was acquired. In the post-auto update era, the Commando Shoulders will be unlocked for everyone, regardless of the status of the corresponding achievement." (69.47.222.91 20:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC))

I need some help. I have the commando shoulders but I do NOT have either acheivment. I don't know (but its probably) if it is a glitch or not. I also have ALL EOD armor but i have NOT done ANY missions on legendary EXCEPT "halo" on rally point alpha and completed it. I have not done the ENTIRE level on legendary but yet I have ALL E.O.D. armor. whats up with that?

76.73.159.170 12:25, June 12, 2010 (UTC) Barry lee Coleman Jr.

Recon Armor
The Recon armor is a armor only used by bungie empoyees. (what the point teling us).So pretty much bungie employees have it only and no one else can have it. Now there has been four given it anyway. The lucky people that got it was by impressing bungie or making them laugh. Thats it so far. We really dont know any other way than that if we do we will post it up right away. Please dont complain to bungie and send them rude messages they really dont have time for that there is a short simple answer for that if you ask "can i have the recon armor" there answer will be "NO" they deserve the recon armor becuase they worked hard on the game as much as we want it they decide if we get it or not there is a 15-25% chance of getting this armor and like we said by making bungie laugh. One of the lucky people that got was they sniped someone it hit the ground it bounced back to him and killed him and that made bungie laugh or like the cone ownage, search for them on youtube. so if you want the recon armor or the flaming recon or any other flaming helmet make bungie laugh

I know one of the people who got Recon armor was the guy from Digital Ph33r for his Arby 'n' the Chief skits, and 2 went to the people who died in weird ways, if there is 4, who is the 4th? And is there a reliable source for who has been given the armor?

you can also receive recon by winning contests put on by bungie in matchmaking ~gil demoono

But, with the release of the Vidmaster challenges in Halo 3 and ODST, you can own your set of Recon armor. you must do, Halo 3: Annual, Light switch, Brainpan, and 7 on 7. Halo 3 ODST: deja vu, Endure, and Classic. they are some of the most challengeing achievements in both the games, but oh so worht it once you unlock RECON for yourself.

The only Bungie-exclusive armor is the flaming helmet,which is actually a chest piece.The flaming helmet was also given to the few people that were able to complete the Sarkathalon.

Sign ur postsSPARTAN-III leader 17:36, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

About Commando Shoulders
The article states that "due to complaints from the players about this permutation being glitched, Bungie has fixed this and after the auto-update, will automatically unlock for every player, even those who don't have the permutation unlocked."

This should be ommited for two reasons. 1. It's already stated more clearly in another part of the article 2. It was glitched for everyone, so I doubt fan complaints had anything to do with it being fixed. And if it must stay, at least put it in the right section. It's under "Flight" armor! 71.189.22.224 21:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: The Flaming Bungie Helmet.
I can't seem to remember where i found this out, but the bungie helmet is in fact not the helmet at all. it's an EOD body piece, but it's shown as "Bungie" in the selector, and the description is something like "Tested in the fires of a thousand battles, go forth and represent." i know that it isn't accurate, but it's along those lines. 88.110.115.160 22:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Reply
Bungie has said, several times, that there will be no new armour. Recon and Bungie armour are already on the Halo disc, just not unlocked. Oh, and sign your posts. DMNecris TalkContributions 21:45, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Not entirely true. there have been circulating rumors around the internet and on Xbox Live that Bungie will be completing full ODST Armor as their new "Recon" so to speak. (but unlockable to those who earn the vidmasters for Reach) they are coming out with full ODST when Halo Reach comes out. its only a rumor so far but i have a friend whos uncle works for bungie. (i've played with them both online he's not lying) and he said that they might make that armor permutation. =D full ODST finally!

Armor NOT Armour
The game guide it self says "armor," not "armour." So I will try to change all of the armours to armor, any one who sees armour, feel free to change it to armor.


 * Armour (British) or Armor (American), it is still the same thing. Nub. R C 16:07, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the game guide is written by Bungie, which is an american company, and that's why it says armor instead of armour. - 24.78.136.207 05:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Both dilects are accepted as stated by CT. Leave the spelling of this type Alone 5ub nova [ Comm71   - EComm 72  - Intell  -  CoH  -  AoH  -  SCoH  ] 05:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * He is wrong. The accepted standard on Halopedia is American English; Bungie is an American company. It is most definitely not necessary, however, to make an edit merely for the purpose of changing the dialect of spelling. If you continue to do it, I'll send you on another week long vacation. 12:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * As per Manticore. The accepted standard is American English. However, both spelling types are ultimately accepted, which is why we don't bother changing spellings. It'd be unfair to make all non-americans spell in american english, and vice versa.  Ti ger rr rr 19:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Was that week vacation directed to me? because I clearly stated to leave the spelling dilects alone 5ub <font color="DarkBlue">nova [ <font color="MediumBlue">Comm<font color="DarkSlateGray">71   - <font color="Blue">EComm <font color="DarkSlateGray">72  - <font color="RoyalBlue">Intell  -  CoH  -  AoH  -  SCoH  ] 12:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry Manticore, I just read over it again and I think you ment that statement for the IP <font color="Navy">5ub <font color="DarkBlue">nova [ <font color="MediumBlue">Comm<font color="DarkSlateGray">71   - <font color="Blue">EComm <font color="DarkSlateGray">72  - <font color="RoyalBlue">Intell  -  CoH  -  AoH  -  SCoH  ] 12:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I thought it was obvious it was directed at you. 12:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok Look my friend I have stopped with the entire "Spelling dilects arguement" I only want to revert unlogical edits and vandals and edit grammar mistakes, and also edit spelling mistakes like... H4lo <font color="Navy">5ub <font color="DarkBlue">nova [ <font color="MediumBlue">Comm<font color="DarkSlateGray">71   - <font color="Blue">EComm <font color="DarkSlateGray">72  - <font color="RoyalBlue">Intell  -  CoH  -  AoH  -  SCoH  ] 12:29, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I think it is necesary to have one or the other, because when you go looking through the pages, one sentence will say "armor," the next "armour." So, I am chosing to write "armor," nothing against the British, but Bungie is American, so it should really be "armor."

Yeah i agree with the other guy too that some sentences say armor and others say armour, that could be quite weird if someone is editing the pages and then the other guy changed it back, and it pretty much get annoyed when editing cause you will see more red doted lines underneath them... I support both dialects but it just feels easier if you dont see the red line / dots below them... <tt>Soul-Reaper</tt> Can't talk...being chased !!Pepsi makes me High! Project: PROMETHEUS 17:25, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Does it matter? --Burnoutexpert3 16:03, December 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * Not really. Which is why if you see it spelled one way, leave it that way.  Smoke Sound off! 16:21, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Unlockable Elite Armor
There should be something in there the says all the unlockable Elite armor for people without Xbox Live just like that thing in there that says all the unlockable Spartan armor for people without Xbox live.--Darth Malice the Destroyer 22:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I think that too. And why should we be forced to pay $60 a year for it? I want the Commando Harness, rouge helmet, and scout shoulders sooo bad, but the Bungie-Microsoft pathetic plan to get people to buy Xbox live just to get the armor is why they had to be cruel. "Unlock 'This Achievment (Online)'" should be "Unlock 'This Achievment (Online)' or 'Complete Campaign on Legendary with at least two skulls on'." But that's buisness. - Cprl. Echo 1   High Resolution  Poor Quality 00:44, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Prepare to drop?
So...we don't want to mention anything on this page about the Halo 3 ODST multiplayer characters?

Capt. Daget J. Sparrow 08:51, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, there's no actual armour permutation for the ODSTs...-  <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 11:14, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking from a multiplayer angle rather than a canonised angle...I just thought that we should mention something about them for multiplayer.

Capt. Daget J. Sparrow 08:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * From the multiplayer angle, the Body Suit they wore is nothing interesting; backpacks, small add-on objects on helmets, add-on shield... Oh, I don't think H3:ODST has a Multiplayer like H3, so I guess you mean the Firefight feature. If so, well, I think you can only choose the characters you've unlocked. Now, that said, H3:ODSTs don't actually have any armour permutation... unless of course you consider the backpack as an add-on object...-  <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 09:15, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

thats funny because bungie said that they are armor perms so i think they should be added ad for those who dont believe me search evrything related to fire fight :from geust

the guy above me is correct there is a diffrence between the shoulders and back packs.the helmets have some diffrences so i don't see why not?--Spartanc18 16:55, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Theory
I know that Bungie confirmed that armor permutations have no effect on gameplay, but I think they might have a slight effect. I've noticed that sometimes while wearing certain armor permutations you seem to do better at a certain thing. I have a theory, for example CQB armor seems to slightly help you and keep you alive longer in close quarters combat, EOD seems to keep you alive longer when faced with explosives, and Scout armor seems to be more stealthy and makes it easier to snipe and sneak up on people. Could someone maybe test this theory with all the types of armor and maybe they could try different armor combination s.--Darth Malice the Destroyer 01:14, September 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's all in your head. If Bungies says it has no effect, it has no effect.--Emblem 1.jpg<font color="Blue">Rusty <font color="Red">- <font color="Blue">112 01:51, September 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Except where visuals come into play; the katana sticks out, the globe helmet is shiny as hell, Scout and recon have tiny less-reflective view ports, so on so on.--Kre &#39;Nunumee 02:32, September 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * What I was trying to say is that certain armor permutations have a skinnier profile while others have a larger profile and the shape could have some small unnoticeable effect ex. skinner armor is stealthier and harder to stick and aim at since it has a smaller profile. You know what they say, you won't knock it till you try it.--Darth Malice the Destroyer 01:09, October 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Different armor permutations only appear different. All different permutations for both Spartans and Elites have the same size hit box. Permutations only effect how easily your character is seen. That said, the biggest difference is what colour you are and whether your head has a large visor. Beyond that any differences when it comes to shoulders and chests are negligible. --Emblem 1.jpg<font color="Blue">Rusty <font color="Red">- <font color="Blue">112 02:09, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

can you unlock armor in splitscreen co-op campiagn?
excuse my bad spelling and grammer. --Burnoutexpert3 15:19, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes... because you're still playing the campaign. No offense, but that's a stupid question. -- T  3   2  8 Bouncy Wiki Logo.gif 15:24, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Other Armor Unlocked
Technically, if you have bought ODST, you can get the Security helmet, and the Katana. I was able to unlock them at 1100 G and 44 achievements. Maybe someone should put this on? Thebobafettest 17:24, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

With exception of the Vidmasters,none of the achievments gained on the Campaign/Firefight disc do anything for H3 armor

I believe he means the multiplayer disk and the new achievements. Dragonblaze-052 02:02, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Reach needs revision
Look at the list of armor permutations for Reach, they don't match up with their credits or anything like that.

You mean on Bungie.net or here?--Fluffball Gato 15:37, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well there really isn't a reference is there? Most of this is from the Beta and everything will change upon release. We just have to wait until the game is out or pirated since that will be sooner. -- (Lone Hunter)

Lag reveals unfinished armor permutations and Campaign armor

 * See: Talk:Halo: Reach Multiplayer Beta. <span style="background:#ADA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg DavidJCobb  03:31, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Glitched Armor?
I have ALL E.O.D. armor but I have not "completed" the entire campaign mode on legendary. the only mission the game says I "completed on legendary" is halo but I only did the rally point alpha! I did not complete the ENTIRE level front to back on legendary! When it says "to unlock this armor blah blah blah, Complete the CAMPAIGN mode" does it mean like the ENTIRE campaign or just the mission "halo" as it is the last mission in the campaign. Also I have the Elite Commando Shoulder Armor but I have NOT done the "Steppin' Razor" or the other acheivment ( I don't know which it is ) but either way I have it. Is this armor glitched or something? I would apreciate ANY help I could get. 76.73.159.170 12:31, June 12, 2010 (UTC) Barry Lee Coleman Jr.

The Commando Shoulders unlock automatically for everyone after the auto-updates are installed. The auto-updates are installed after you buy Halo 3: ODST or something. Further on, I don't know about the glitch for your E.O.D armor. On Halo 3: ODST, I completed the last level on Heroic, but I got no achievement: "Campaign Complete: Heroic". So, your game might be bugged or something, I don't know. Rezo  'Scratoqee  (Talk) 20:05, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Recon in Reach?
Yah, yah, I know that people that get the Limited and Legendary editions get exclusive armor and effects (actually I am saving up to get the Legendary edition) and I know that you have to get Reach on the launch day to get Recon, but can you pre order Reach to get Recon in it?

If you live in the USA, you can pre-order or buy on the first day. If you live anywhere else, you have to pre-order to get the Recon helmet

Elite Armor in Reach?
I heard that you can only play as elites in certain game types, but can we still play as them in custom games?Tormound117 13:40, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but you have to edit the gametypeToen6 15:39, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Check THIS Out
Helps confirm aLOT of stuff in The Armory... 

All prices and items shown in the video are up here

Problem
If you recieve credits in the same amount as you did on the Reach Beta, that means buying armour will take a lot of saving up... 21:30, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Campaign meta-score and achievments? Dragonblaze-052 02:08, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

You think it might contribute to that then? Interesting idea, actually. Xhodocto3546

Oh they've confirmed it. No worries. Xho

Reach's Mark V Helmet (not Mark V[B])
Don't you guys think it's important to say when this helmet appears in the Armory (e.g. What rank you need to be before you see it)? I realize that, with such a price, you'd end up pretty high in rank anyway, but when does it appear? I'm a Seargant Grade 2, and I don't see it yet. Heck, I don't even see the Mark VI helmet yet!-- Sierra-179 "Send me out... with a chili dog!" 03:02, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe no one has gotten it yet? Could require General. Matt 2108 04:45, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Pictures?
Hey could someone post some pictures for the Halo Reach armor variants? A no is ok. Failamanjaro 01:22, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Note: i do know of the pictures at the bottom. the Misc. Armor is what im talking about. Failamanjaro 01:30, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Haunted helmet?
Is the haunted helmet real? I've only seen in it a video from August 24th 2010, and the person had like, WAY too many credits lol CrackLawliet 02:54, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Apparently there is a haunted helmet. The guy you saw it from was a modder. But there is a haunted helmet. You have to get all the armor first then you can put it on. <span style="background-color:White; color:Blue; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> SPARTAN-A110  <span style="background-color:silver; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">  talk    contribs  <span style="background-color:silver; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">  guestbook