Talk:John-117

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Well he actually got his second armor two weeks later of the combat evovled events.

Quote Page?
I'm rather surprised that our hero doesn't have his own quote page. Can someone create one (because I have no idea to how to create one)? ThanksS331 09:43, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

390
390 POUNDS!? Bullshit. Somebody edit this. I would edit it myself, but I fear the edit would be unmade. -Kluutak 19:20, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

PS: CHanged it to 250, seems like a regular weight. If some spammer reverts it to 390 I will rever it back and contact the admins. You have been warned.


 * 250 pounds? Seems like a regular weight? By god, if you don't know the weight, don't put it in! UNSC Las Vegas [[Image:Mac.jpg|50px]] Orders/Parking tickets/The letters from the Admiral, regarding regarding the Admiral's DaughterMaintenance Records/Insurance details
 * I think he is talking about average SPARTAN weight for SPARTAN Super Soldiers. Due to their ceramic ossification implants, it is likely they are about 70 pounds heavier than an average Human. Three-hundred-ninety is a little much though, that is more than a Sangheili, which have overall more strength and body mass than a SPARTAN.
 * SPARTAN-IIs weigh quite heavy because of their augmentations, as stated above. 250 lbs is actually quite a regular weight for a Spartan.Rollersox 02:44, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * In The Fall of Reach, John's canonical unarmored weight is stated.
 * "It was hard to mistake the Master Chief for anything other than a Spartan. He stood just over two meters tall and weighed in at 130 kilos of rock-hard muscle and iron-dense bone." - Halo: The Fall of Reach, page 217 (in my edition, anyway)
 * This translates to roughly 286 lbs. Spartans are big, yo. I'll cite it and put it on the page. Zita 21:53, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * well, if you wanna count the armor, which weighs half a ton itself (1000 pounds) and 286 pounds (130 kilos) he tecnically weighs 1286... right ? Contrarytoreason 01:49, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * You guys know, the war was tough on our Chief, it is possible he lost a good 20 pounds, it does look like the war is taking its toll on him by Halo 3, he looks more or less around 260, 265 by Halo 3. --Kluutak 13:38, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * In the Halo 3 Beastreium (it came with the colectors edition) it states he is 179 kilos and 2.08 meters.
 * 390 pounds... sounds about right for SUPER HUMAN. You guys forget, this guy is 7 feet tall, has his bone coated in impervious ceramic material, is super strong/muscular, and even in his great size, has increased muscle density that, in some places, is nearly 5 times the amount of a normal human being. He's a huge strong super-human, 500 years into the future, with all of Earth's best technology; I'd be suprised if he wasn't almost 400 pounds. IMO, he should be bigger than that, but John was also sort of "small" compared to the rest of the spartans. The average weight for someone of his height is around 250- now honestly, do you think that this guy is average weight? Rawrsorsz 18:44, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Dude thats armor implants and I mean THE ARMOR takes up most of the weight (O) JJdoomkiller 19:50, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * In The Fall of Reach it states that John is 130 kilos, thats 286 pounds. there is no way he is 390. that's more then Jorge-052, who is nearly half a foot taller then the chief. Shivalry 05:33, July 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * In the Halo 3 Beastreium (it came with the colectors edition) it states he is 179 kilos and 2.08 meters.
 * 390 pounds... sounds about right for SUPER HUMAN. You guys forget, this guy is 7 feet tall, has his bone coated in impervious ceramic material, is super strong/muscular, and even in his great size, has increased muscle density that, in some places, is nearly 5 times the amount of a normal human being. He's a huge strong super-human, 500 years into the future, with all of Earth's best technology; I'd be suprised if he wasn't almost 400 pounds. IMO, he should be bigger than that, but John was also sort of "small" compared to the rest of the spartans. The average weight for someone of his height is around 250- now honestly, do you think that this guy is average weight? Rawrsorsz 18:44, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Dude thats armor implants and I mean THE ARMOR takes up most of the weight (O) JJdoomkiller 19:50, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * In The Fall of Reach it states that John is 130 kilos, thats 286 pounds. there is no way he is 390. that's more then Jorge-052, who is nearly half a foot taller then the chief. Shivalry 05:33, July 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Dude thats armor implants and I mean THE ARMOR takes up most of the weight (O) JJdoomkiller 19:50, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * In The Fall of Reach it states that John is 130 kilos, thats 286 pounds. there is no way he is 390. that's more then Jorge-052, who is nearly half a foot taller then the chief. Shivalry 05:33, July 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * In The Fall of Reach it states that John is 130 kilos, thats 286 pounds. there is no way he is 390. that's more then Jorge-052, who is nearly half a foot taller then the chief. Shivalry 05:33, July 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * In The Fall of Reach it states that John is 130 kilos, thats 286 pounds. there is no way he is 390. that's more then Jorge-052, who is nearly half a foot taller then the chief. Shivalry 05:33, July 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Your capacity for belief and the truth are two entirely differant things. According t o the main website, he is over 390 pounds, at 179 kilos. http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/Universe/Detail/uncategorized/cb76d627-7a97-45c0-afd5-612e0d9d6302


 * Rawrsorsz 20:09, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Upgrade
When did he get Mk VI armor. In the books I own, it never states when. It seems like he should've just had Mk V armor through all the games. - Echoes High Resolution Poor Quality 20:40, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * He got it in Halo 2, which is after his appearances in the books. You should play the games as well to get an accurate view on the storyline.--  Fore  run  ner  20:43, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * He can't have Mk V, it's an old version and things change so it would be dangerous to where a helmet that they no longer support. It doesn't function as well as the latest version.RvBrocks1 18:26, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

I know he got it in Halo 2, but it never states when. It makes a spiratic change from Mk V to VI. - Cprl. Echo 1 High Resolution Poor Quality 18:03, July 20, 2010 (UTC) PS: how do you get the Mk V helmet in Halo 3?


 * 20 October 2552. It outright tells you on the FIRST LEVEL what day it is.-- Forerunner 18:29, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Came from Songnam this morning." - TheLostJedi  15:04, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Promotion?
Is there any information on when he was promoted the Master Chief? VadersFist666 04:24, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * All we know is that he was definitely an MCPO by 2544, during the events of The Package. Nothing has ever stated exactly when his promotion to Master Chief occured, however. --&quot;Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson 04:30, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks VadersFist666 04:34, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * He was also referred to as "Master Chief" on page 8 of The Fall of Reach (at least the original version), during the Battle of Jericho VII, which means he held the rank of Master Chief in 2535. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 05:49, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * How does it come that he is only a MCPO? I think he should have a way higher rank. Like Commander! If Carter could get the rank (and Carter stinks compared to the Chief) then i think that he should be able to get the rank.Ewil 4 life 18:33, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

New Screenshot and Headquote
Yes? No? I think its been getting kind of old, and is relatively out of place as opposed to the rest of the pages. I personally think the page needs a quote by the Master Chief himself. Discuss. --Kluutak 13:39, September 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think both the headquote and the infobox image (is this what you mean?) are the ideal ones for this article. --Odysseas-Spartan 53  13:47, September 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * No apparent reason to change either, actually. The Master Chief doesn't speak any quotes of significance anyway. - JEA13  [ iTalk  ] 13:55, September 13, 2010 (UTC)30 tears and not even an officer
 * Some of MC's quotes are awesome, like the one at the end of Halo CE.
 * Benboy00 13:43, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

The Name's Chief... Master Chief.
Anybody else think 117 could be a parody of 007?Fair field fencer F F F  18:39, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

maybe, given that both regularly succeed against impossible odds, on the other hand, im pretty sure John:117 is a bible quote (couldnt tell you what the quote is tho), given some of the other things (i.e. Ark to protect humanity and covenant against Flood) (lol, that probably just sounded ridiculous, but im keeping it anyway) Andrew-108 15:18, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Its John 1:17 from the bible thats what his names refers to

Halo Reach
Did anyone noticed that MC (or some other SPARTAN) was in one of the last cutscences of halo reach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRrv6rcu90Y ?  ŖЁĠÍ§Ť3ŔΣĎ ₵ΘИ†®|฿ŪŢÖṜ  Hi   00:14, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

its been confirmed. THAT IS MASTER CHIEF!!!!!!! (notice my 7 of !?) how epic. Hazzah!!!!!!!--Leon35 00:47, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

there is never any real conformation that it is Master Chief. In the Legendary Walkthrough w/ Chris, Marty and company they say "isn't this the scene where we....shhhhhh, don't ruin it it" could just as easily be Linda. Ohmattcarter 08:56, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * We all know it's Master Chief. Bungie wouldn't add Linda as a cameo. It doesn't make any sense. But I can understand why you guys want to play safe.Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  11:36, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's Master Chief. He was the only Spartan on the Pillar of Autumn when it left. Ladencrel 08:28, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * WE ALL KNOW Linda was on the ship and she have been put into cryo.... Autumn43 12:09, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * WE ALL KNOW Linda was on the ship and she have been put into cryo.... Autumn43 12:09, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

---Halo Reach ending---

First of all, the planet John is drifting over at the end of Halo 3 is all but confirmed in Legends to be a Forerunner World, namely the one shown in the short film Origins I. It certainly isn't Reach. The ship present certainly isn't the one John was on. To whomever assumed that the ship shown was part of the Forward Unto Dawn, you are simply assuming with no sources or evidence. It's conjecture, and unlikely at that.

adamg0d 01:22, September 26, 2010 (UTC)adamg0d


 * I have no idea what you're talking about. Halo: Reach happens BEFORE Halo 3 (heck, Halo: Combat Evolved, to be more specific), if you're saying the Spartan-II in the Autumn is not him because he's drifting in space, then you got the timeline wrong. Please elaborate, Im not trolling. S331 14:24, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think hes talking about the white ship shown after The Lone Wolf mission where it shows six's helmet on the ground while halsey is talking. FATGUNN 00:18, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then... LOL FAIL. This section isnt even about the Unknown Colony Ship... Thanks for explaining anyways. S331 04:13, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Doctor Halsey's Quote, not Cortana's
The quote at the top of the page is from Doctor Catherine Halsey, not Cortana. A little weird if Cortana said it, seeing that she did no research on S-117 and watched him train since he was a child.Ladencrel 08:26, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Source? It MIGHT BE a little weird if Cortana said it, but we all know Dr. Halsey did not appear in Halo 3, and we all know Cortana was creat from Dr. Halseys brain.Autumn43 12:04, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Doctor Halsey wasn't in Halo 3, true, but she was an imposing figure in the Halo fiction. It would make more sense if she said it rather than Cortana, who was kept with the Gravemind throughout the beginning of Halo 3. Ladencrel 03:31, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

If the line was said by Cortana in the game, then it is Cortana's quote. Don't change the page wrongly because of simply "make sense". Or you can go ask the administrators first. If they don't accept that, go blame Stosh. R211, CQC Specialist 03:35, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Eye color
Why does it say brown? Or was brown his eye color before augmentations? --Kluutak 13:58, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Didn't Jorge had brown eyes too?? (TheArbiterPower 18:43, January 31, 2011 (UTC)) 

COD Trolls <Vandalism>
Due to the imminent release of Call of Duty : Black Ops and the recent vandalism posted on one of the Largest articles Halopedia has, I recommend that Admins should lock this page until things die down a bit. Anyone else agree ? Coz frankly I'm getting pissed off at these Cod fags. --Gundamguy 13:05, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

What did they say this time?

--Spartan-044

I Concur :P

Benboy00 13:46, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

The invicible Spartan
Can someone please add that master cheif is invincible.Avatar symbiote 02:24, November 26, 2010 (UTC)Avatar symbiote

He's not invincible -_-.--<span style="background:Black;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><font color="Blue">Shade  02:46, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yes he ISAvatar symbiote 02:50, November 26, 2010 (UTC)Avatar symbiote

No, he's not.--<span style="background:Black;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><font color="Blue">Shade  02:51, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

He's not invincible.He just has luck.No spartan is invincible.Gamer1191 19:11, December 17, 2010 (UTC)Gamer1191 1:10, December 17, 2010

"Spartans never die. I wish that were so." Jedijam91 22:19, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

John Forge?
Why is there a link to Forge as one of the 'did you mean's at the top of the page? John-117, Master Chief, 117, etc. is nothing like Forge, it doesn't really seem neccessary.


 * If John redirects here, it is.--  Fore  run  ner  20:43, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Problems; massive, accidental, or otherwise
my appoligies if this is poor, but my computer is barely functioning. It is stated that his hight is "210 metres (689 ft 0 in)" this is clearly inacurate because it would A: mean he is the tallest man in the world and B: mean he is taller then some buildings. Moreover, it seemes the increase in size and wight of John-117 from the armor should have seperate notes for both the mark V and mark VI.

Issues on height and Weight.
First of all, the link "proving" that he is 6'11 (source number 1) is ridiculous. The source clearly states that he is "just over" 2 meters tall, or just over, roughly 6.56 feet tall (1 meter = 3.28 feet), which, .56 x 12 = 6.72, or he is just over 6 feet 6.72 inches tall. Basically, he is more likely 6'7 (especially considering Bungies constant referance to "Seven"), or even 6'8. Not this 6'11 bullshit.

Secondly, his weight is stated to be around 290. Average weight for a person who is 6'7 is around 198 - 242. Remember though, this is a spartan, who is gigantic, muscular, and filled full of ceramic bone strengnething material. While it is possible that he is relativley skinny, the extra weight of the ceramic material alone is problably enough to set him over 290. Not to mention that, he had muscle augumentations as well, meant to increse his muscle density, this supposedley making him even heavier than he would otherwise be, even if he was gigantic.

The source states that he is 290 pounds of "rock-hard muscle and iron-dense bone", meaning that this could be before his augmentation were had the ceramics and other materials added, this making him heavier beyond his muscle and bone. I do not have access to the fall of reach at the moment though, and would like to see confirmation on his 290 pound frame being after his augmentations and final growth as an adult (I.E. after he is an adult, and presumably has stopped growing).

I believe that a Dog-Tag was made that said his height was 6'10 and his weight 390 lb. Although I do not possess any kind of access to this eitheir.

In my opinion, 390 pounds does not sound that unresonable, as many body builders exist who, at 5'10, are at or over 300 pounds (Such as Jay Cutler and Ronnie coleman). He is supposed to be a big, strong, guy, pushing the limits of human capabilties. Noah Steere is 6'6 and 350 pounds, and is considerd a large bodybuilder, but "skinny" when compared to the shorter, but much wider (at least proportionally) 5'10 bodybuilders.

Even assuming that he was 300 pounds, or 290 as the quote put it, with the augementations his increased muscle density (and vastly increased strength, which was double in a lot of cases for the spartan, such as with the dumbells which went from 20 to 40 kilograms, or 40 to 80, I can't remember) and increased "bone density" (ceramic ossification) could easily put him at around 400 pounds.

Despite the fact that, he could have gained more muscle through more excercise after his augmentation (which he problably did, going from 14 to 45 throughout his lifetime with the augments).

I woud also like to validate at what point in time that his weight and height are taken in relative to his life span, as the masterchief as a child is going to problably me much smaller than as an adult. This means that, despite being 6'7 at this point in time, he may in the future be 6'10, as he is still growing, and recieved a pellet in his pituary gland, artifically increasing the amount of growth hormone released by his body.


 * The 290lb part is set during the Battle of Sigma Octanus IV in mid-2552. At this point, he is wearing the MJOLNIR mark V armour; his suit's height has been calculated.--  Fore  run  ner  16:28, February 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * I see. Doesn't a quote state that he is half a ton and slightly over 2 meters tall though in his armor though? If he is two meters tall in his armor, but also 2 meters tall without his armor, it really wouldn't make that much sense, seeing as how he would need several inches of protective material, this bumping his height up (helmet + boots). And if his armor is half a ton, then how can he be a complete half a ton in his armor, with his added weight? Oh well, seems to me like a series of inaccuracies and various mistakes, considering the wide range of criteria he is supposed to fill. Nothing is perfect. --Rawrsorsz 22:27, February 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * To my recollection, the armour itself is half a ton in mass, while John's Mark V suit is 7.04 ft tall.--  Fore  run  ner  22:33, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I always believed the armor to add an additonal 5 inches to his height. 2.5 on the feet, and 2.5 on the head. After all, if it is 1000 pound armor capable of stopping land mines and various explosions, so his armor should be pretty thick. Not to mention that, his armor survives several direct hits from plasma strikes, various explosions and bullets, and whatnot. Fitting snugly, the armor would problably be at minimum, 2.5 inches thick. 1000 pounds of armor means that his armor has to be huge. I always got that, originally, at least when he was younger, that he was around 1000 pounds and 6'7 in his armor. Then, he was 6'7 out of his armor, and now he was 7 foot tall in his armor, and he was now over 1000 pounds in his armor (given the extra height, increased weight of the armor, himself, and various other issues). Now he's 6'11 and 7'2 in his armor? I'm aware that his new suit is better and whatnot, but if it's still 1000 pounds and, a it's snuggiest, 1.5 inches thick (shaving off what should be hundreds of pounds), it doesn't really seem to make that much sense to me. Not to mention that these Spartans are supposed to be inhumanly large, and with these figures, especially with the enhancments they recieved, they, or at least he, seems to be at relativley human levels. Not to mention that, in the future the average height is 5'11 and average weight is around 200 pounds (for a male), compared to 5'9 and 170 pounds as of now.
 * I would honestly buy that, he had 290 pounds of "Rock solid muscle and iron dense bone". But with what the nearly indestructable ceramic ossification and the muscle density increases... 350+, as a total, sounds reasonable to me. If he his 6'11, his skeletal structure is going to require a LOT of ceramic, more so than a normal human, and so even if a normal human may skimp on by with 20 pounds of ceramic, he's going to need at least 40 or 50. Plus the increased muscle density (only to the "core" of his muscles though, I believe, such that extra tissue was added. Supposedley, protein was implanted into his muscles and then his muscles grew over that protein, creating extra muscle strands.) his weight should be, around 390. But, assuming that "rock solid muscle" could include the enhanced muscle denisty, 340-350 is reasonable believe, imo, with the ceramic ossification.
 * 390 is large, but when you do the math, it sounds highly reasonable. He's more like 300-350 pounds of muscle. At 6'10, or even 6'7, that's understanble to me. Take a look at Shaquel O'neil, various football players, various basketball players (except for the "skinny" athletic ones), bodybuilders, and even random people off the street that are 6'7 plus, and most of them are well over 300 pounds. Being 290 as a super strong superhuman with ceramic implants and increased muscle denisty at 6'11, and ONLY being 290 pounds, seems far fetched to me. But again, his height and weight are somewhat of a mystery, given the discrepancy, even in the book. Nothing is free of mistakes. Rawrsorsz 23:27, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would honestly buy that, he had 290 pounds of "Rock solid muscle and iron dense bone". But with what the nearly indestructable ceramic ossification and the muscle density increases... 350+, as a total, sounds reasonable to me. If he his 6'11, his skeletal structure is going to require a LOT of ceramic, more so than a normal human, and so even if a normal human may skimp on by with 20 pounds of ceramic, he's going to need at least 40 or 50. Plus the increased muscle density (only to the "core" of his muscles though, I believe, such that extra tissue was added. Supposedley, protein was implanted into his muscles and then his muscles grew over that protein, creating extra muscle strands.) his weight should be, around 390. But, assuming that "rock solid muscle" could include the enhanced muscle denisty, 340-350 is reasonable believe, imo, with the ceramic ossification.
 * 390 is large, but when you do the math, it sounds highly reasonable. He's more like 300-350 pounds of muscle. At 6'10, or even 6'7, that's understanble to me. Take a look at Shaquel O'neil, various football players, various basketball players (except for the "skinny" athletic ones), bodybuilders, and even random people off the street that are 6'7 plus, and most of them are well over 300 pounds. Being 290 as a super strong superhuman with ceramic implants and increased muscle denisty at 6'11, and ONLY being 290 pounds, seems far fetched to me. But again, his height and weight are somewhat of a mystery, given the discrepancy, even in the book. Nothing is free of mistakes. Rawrsorsz 23:27, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * 390 is large, but when you do the math, it sounds highly reasonable. He's more like 300-350 pounds of muscle. At 6'10, or even 6'7, that's understanble to me. Take a look at Shaquel O'neil, various football players, various basketball players (except for the "skinny" athletic ones), bodybuilders, and even random people off the street that are 6'7 plus, and most of them are well over 300 pounds. Being 290 as a super strong superhuman with ceramic implants and increased muscle denisty at 6'11, and ONLY being 290 pounds, seems far fetched to me. But again, his height and weight are somewhat of a mystery, given the discrepancy, even in the book. Nothing is free of mistakes. Rawrsorsz 23:27, February 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * The details are from Halo: The Fall of Reach - a novel released around the time of the first game that has been contradicted in almost all chapters by a later game or novel. The mass is of course just for the Mark V MJOLNIR - the Mark VI is a lot thinner in comparrison, though remains the same height (a lot of the shaving took place around the back). I believe that the Mark VI MJOLNIR would probably be lighter than its Mark V counterpart.--  Fore  run  ner  00:35, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think so. Also, in the first game the Master Chief is only a few inches taller than both captain Keyes and Sergeant Avery Johnson (Keyes is about 6'4, and Jhonson is about 6'2). It puts his height at around 6'7. If we assume that he is indeed 7'2, it puts Captain Keyes at about 6'9 and Sergeant Johonson at about 6'7, which we know isn't true.
 * But in the later games, I wouldn't doubt that the Master cheif is a full foot taller than Sergeant Avery Johnson, so it could be that John-117 is still growing (as evidenced by his artifical pituary tumor), and the ceramic ossification was said not to cover more than 3% of the total bone mass, due to the potential of "bone" pulverization due to the growth.
 * I think that John-117 is the oldest Spartan of the group (as he is the oldest surviving Spartan still in real time), so if he is "suddenly" taller when he's 45 compared to 25 I wouldn't be surprised. Strangley enough, on page 217, the page where it references his height and weight, it also mentions his age, on the bottom on page 218 right after, where a person asks "How do you get to be a Spartan", and he says that you are selected.
 * Or it could just be a lack of attention to detail from the producures of Halo 2 and 3 going to Halo 1, who never thouyght that it would be a big deal. The "Rule of Seven" from bungie supports my idea that he's problably 6'7 and that in his armor he is 7 foot, also seeing as how he is also John-117 and whatnot, but that's just me and my crazy ways.Rawrsorsz 05:30, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * In the Halo 3 Beasturium it states he is 179 kilograms = 394.627449 pounds and 2.08 meters tall = 6.82414698 feet tall. If you want to check it came with the colectors editions of Halo 3. Devolped by Bungi so its gotta be true. Fuzz 00:34, March 5, 2011 (UTC)super fuzz
 * That would be really interesting if it was true Super Fuzz. Can you find a link to this, or some other way of proving/validating it?Rawrsorsz 20:54, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well you can ask anyone with any of the Halo 3 collector's edition but here is the link to a photo i took of it
 * http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=33749&id=100001119232398&l=4582383827
 * also tells the hight and weight of other species from Grunts to the Engineers.Fuzz 00:01, March 9, 2011 (UTC)031.jpg
 * Well that is awesome man! Thanks alot for that, it kind of confirms what I thought it was. xP Rawrsorsz 06:09, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Was this info ever put on the page? Fuzz 23:16, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * That would be really interesting if it was true Super Fuzz. Can you find a link to this, or some other way of proving/validating it?Rawrsorsz 20:54, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well you can ask anyone with any of the Halo 3 collector's edition but here is the link to a photo i took of it
 * http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=33749&id=100001119232398&l=4582383827
 * also tells the hight and weight of other species from Grunts to the Engineers.Fuzz 00:01, March 9, 2011 (UTC)031.jpg
 * Well that is awesome man! Thanks alot for that, it kind of confirms what I thought it was. xP Rawrsorsz 06:09, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Was this info ever put on the page? Fuzz 23:16, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well that is awesome man! Thanks alot for that, it kind of confirms what I thought it was. xP Rawrsorsz 06:09, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Was this info ever put on the page? Fuzz 23:16, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Was this info ever put on the page? Fuzz 23:16, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Was this info ever put on the page? Fuzz 23:16, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Changing height to 6'7
The thing says just over "2 meters tall", 2 meters is which is 6 feet, 6.72 inches tall.

I think, that it means 6'7, as when a person is 6'7 or 6'8, in metric they usually refer to them as "2 meters" tall.

Personally, I think that this is a more accurate representation than 6'11, which is about 5% taller than 6'7 (it would be the difference of going from 5'9, to 6'0.5, or from five foot nine inches to six feet and a half inches).

While not that significant of a difference, I feel that, in knowing, presumably, nearly the exact difference, I would very much rather have that than a close estimate.

Anybody agree/disagree/have suggestions, you know, before I make the change? Rawrsorsz 07:00, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you, but the Spartans' height always seemed off to me... Spartan F916

Same here, and in the books/games it doesn't seem to always be exactly what it says it is. They've changed it, and his weight, and the weight of his armor multiple times, along with their ratios. Master Chief is only a little taller than the sergeant in the first game, were as in later games he's like, obviously a full foot taller. It just doesn't make any sense. It doesn't really matter, in my opinion, but it would still be nice to have a definitive answer, especially seeing as how it's referenced so much. Rawrsorsz 21:20, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: Okay, so, basically, I changed the height from "210 cm" to 201 cm, or slightly over 2 meters tall, which is roughly 6'7, which I think is more accurate.

Everyone if you look at the above section by the link i have a picture telling Master Chief's height and weight.Fuzz 00:27, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

And besides that can you imagine how buff a person would have to be to carry around 2000 pounds of armor? I cant help but comment that not only is the height way off compared to even the largest supersoldier but the weight is as well. If there is any way chief could be that skinny in that much weight of sheer armor, the suit would've had to be controlled from the inside much like a human controls a car or a large sized exoskeleton. To use nothing more than raw muscle is ridiculous. Whoever thought to make the master chief 7 feet tall and weigh just under 2000 pounds needs to think more realistic.

If I remember correctly the suit does what he thinks. Fuzz 22:27, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Quotes Page
I also think John should have a quotes page I think that would be great!

The Royal Zealot 23:43, May 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * He does. -Karl-591 23:52, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Trivia
It say "In the Halo LEGO sets John 117 is wearing his original mark IV armor". Mega Blocks makes the Halo sets so can we change it? Fuzz 01:06, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

New Image
Okay, since the Halo 4 trailer is out, want to add a new image? If you do I've uploaded one to start with and then we can go from there, if not we leave it like it is until new pics are available. --Kluutak 02:46, June 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * The image that's there now is fine. Adding a Halo 4-era Chief picture so soon doesn't make much sense as his appearance can change heavily between now and the release of the game. Besides, if a new Chief pic were to be added it should be one of better quality than the ones that are currently uploaded.--Direct Control 02:54, June 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Which is why I reverted Kluutak's attempt to add a substandard pic. Zeta1127 of the 89th Legion (talk) 02:55, June 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * It wasn't an "attempt" to do anything, I didn't know the administrators were only allowed to change pics. And I was just trying to help. --Kluutak 02:59, June 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * You could change the pic, but the admins don't want that particular pic changed without being involved. Your pic is too big to be shrunk to 250 pixels anyways. Zeta1127 of the 89th Legion (talk) 03:02, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * is it me or is the amount of talk on this page 117. References?
 * is it me or is the amount of talk on this page 117. References?

The Weight is 390.
The Weight is 390. Actually, it's 179 Kilograms. This is according to the official Halo Website, by microsoft. He is also 2.08 meters tall.

This works out to approximatley 393.8 pounds and 6 feet, 9.86 inches. Basically, rounding to 390 and 6'10 is not that big of a problem.

This is the same thing, I think in the Halo Beasterium. A link is posted below.

http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/intel/theuniverse/characters/text/uncategorized/cb76d627-7a97-45c0-afd5-612e0d9d6302?filter=article&page=2

Please stop changing it to 270. Thank you. Rawrsorsz 03:34, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

I had already put this on this page its up by the picture. Fuzz 01:56, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

It's already proven, by microsoft, that the height and weight according to their official webiste, IN THE GAME, when he is *older*, is 2.08 meters and 179 kilos. This roughly equal to 6 foot, 9.86 inches, and 393.8 pounds, or 6'10 and 395 pounds. Please, stop changing it, especially when you don't KNOW it. ._.

http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/Universe/Detail/uncategorized/cb76d627-7a97-45c0-afd5-612e0d9d6302

Rawrsorsz 15:54, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Halo CEA pics
Can someone get a pic of him from the Halo CEA commercial? Cory Jaynes 16:07, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

He looks horrible in that game. Fuzz 01:56, July 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * You mean "trailer", not "game". Don't judge a character's appearance until the final game is released. --


 * How did you get the emblem by your name? Fuzz 02:43, July 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * I uploaded an image and customized my signature.

Seven letters in name
I think that you should include in the trivia that John-117 has seven letters/numbers in it. J-O-H-N-1-1-7

Sorry if I missed it and this is a redundant postNserver7 01:50, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

I believe this is already in the 7 page. Sniperteam82308  I Know What the Ladies Like  03:32, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

John-117 is SGT. John Forge?
Any one else think that John-117 is actually John Forge? I mean isn't Master Chief always referred to as John or Forge? This got proven to me when I played Halo Wars.LukaGarrusVolk 10:11, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

 Wilc0 "When in doubt, flee." Why doesn't anyone want to talk to me?
 * No, John-117 is a SPARTAN-II conscripted into the program at age 6. John Forge is an ordinary marine. You should read the pages more thoroughly.

The Height is 2.08 meters and the Weight is 179 Kilograms
The Height is 2.08 meters and the Weight is 179 Kilograms, according to the official, halo, website, and the Bestiarium.

When he was younger he may have been 6'7 and 290 at one point, according to the previous books, but he is not now. One also has to remember that he has ceramics and things on his bones and will most likely have gained muscle over time through excercise. It's also possible that 290 was a typo in the book, and that "a little over 2 meters" meant that he was 6'10, instead of 6'7. Additionally, they simply could have changed it without regards to what was in the book.

Whatever the case, the weight in the official Halo universe is roughly 393 pound sand the height is roughly 6'10. Please, stop changing it, if you wish this website to accurate to official Halo canon. Thank you.

http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/Universe/Detail/uncategorized/cb76d627-7a97-45c0-afd5-612e0d9d6302

http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/Universe/Detail/bestiarum/31107dae-cba1-43cf-b107-735035c848ff

Rawrsorsz 19:33, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Blood group
Hey guys, Those who got the Limited and Legendary editions of Halo:Reach can verify this. If you see the BIONANOCARD of Spartan-117 that was in the Catherine Halsey diary, you will see that the chief would have received most positive readings in the "O" field and the "+ve" field. The BIONANOCARD is the blue transparent sheet which has printed sample pathways.

I imply that the Master Chief is of O +ve Blood group.

Spartankrypton 15:47, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Master Chief Name
When and how did he get the name Master Chief. I know it is his rank but arent there other Master Chiefs in the UNSC or is it a rare rank? Or does everybody call him Master Chief because his reall name, John-117 is classified or something?

John Spartan? Seriously?
What is that, a joke? Demolition Man came out in 1993, FYI. I'm fairly certain that there is no relationship whatsoever between Sly's character in that movie and the Chief.

TheSGC 19:50, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

His rank
Why does it say (posthumous) for his rank, Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy? He isn't dead yet. I realize that everyone else (in the games) thinks that he died after the end of Halo 3, but he didn't. His rank should just be Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy, by itself. Akdrummer95 (talk) 21:44, July 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * The point is that they thought he was dead, so he was posthumously-awarded that rank.--  Fore  run  ner  23:57, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, but he's not dead. He still got the promotion, but he's not dead, so that should just be his rank, and there can be a little note in the article about them thinking he was dead and promoting him. Akdrummer95 (talk) 02:45, July 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * I believe he cannot be Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy. As current U.S. Navy custom is that Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy is a rank held by command/duty. Which Halo's universe mimics. In the U.S. Navy only one enlisted member of the Navy can be Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy. It has never been awarded posthumously for any reason. Same would be applied to Command Master Chief Petty Officer, Fleet Master Chief Petty Officer and Force Master Chief Petty Officer. As these are command/duty ranks as well. Easily removed if a Master Chief Petty Officer is removed from said command/duty. Again if Halo’s UNSC mimics the U.S. Navy. Having him Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy due to evidence from a picture from Halo 3(http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/File:117.PNG ), is ludicrous. This would probably just be oversight on Bungie’s part. Evidence when Bungie had Capitan Keyes wearing what would be Lieutenant in the U.S. Navy and the UNSC Navy. Evilcasper (talk) 04:40, October 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * That doesn't exclude official UNSC records from 2553-2557 at least from listing him as MCPON at the time of his supposed death. And while the rank has not been awarded posthumously before, neither has there been an event like the Human-Covenant war or anyone who has a service record like that of Sierra-117 (as far as I am aware). It's even entirely possible the promotion was made before the end of OPERATION: BLIND FAITH. I would imagine that most of the rank and file would continue to refer to Sierra-117 as "Chief" or "Master Chief".
 * One of my points was that the rank is ONLY held by enlisted personnel when in an enlisted command position. In this case there is only one Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy at one time, never two. To my knowledge John-117 has never held a command, only been a team leader. And even if he had he would have been reduced in rank any way due to him losing that command weather bad/neutral/good. I have known a few Command Sergeant Majors go up and down in rank because they lost their command. Example: Battalion Command Sergeant Major is moved up to Brigade Assistant S1. This is NOT a command. He is then reduced to Sergeant Major. Making John-117 Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy is an embarrassment to currant U.S. Military traditions, mimicked by the UNSC Navy in halo.
 * Please read:
 * http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Non-commissioned_officer
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Navy_enlisted_rate_insignia
 * http://www.navy.mil/navydata/nav_legacy.asp?id=260
 * And focus on Master Chief Petty Officer sections.
 * And last, what records from 2553-2557?Evilcasper (talk) 05:53, October 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Master Chief Petty Officer of the NavyVoi Memorial
 * My understanding of this situation is that an MCPON insignia was attached to John-117's memorial, because ONI would not allow a picture of his face to be used for the memorial.  IF anyone has an official source they can cite specifically mentioning his being named MCPON posthumously, then we should keep his rank listed as such; if not, I believe that his "promotion" should be understood to be speculative, and removed from this article.  Rgleon9986 (talk) 03:25, December 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Here is a quote from Halopedia:

"In Halo 3's epilogue, the  insignia is seen taped on the  next to a crudely scratched "117". However, no official source has ever confirmed that this "posthumous" promotion canonically occurred. Halo: The Essential Visual Guide lists John's rank as Master Chief Petty Officer, and he is never called the Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy in Halo 4. From a production standpoint, the use of the MCPON insignia on the memorial was likely an oversight; in-universe, the person who added this memento may have accidentally displayed the wrong rank insignia, or perhaps did so as a sign of respect." This quote can be found here: http://www.halopedia.org/John-117#cite_note-rank-4

Rgleon9986 (talk) 03:30, December 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * I believe he was indeed MCPON, because first off, typically, the board on the memorial. And second, if you've seen the Halo 4 Proluge, you'd remember that Halsey realized that whoever was interrogating her wanted to replace him. I believe they intend to replace him as the Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy. If they'd meant to replace him as a SPARTAN-II (which basically extends to the other II's) with the IV's, Halsey would have remarked that they wanted to replace "them", not "him". Plus the interrogator added that the Master Chief was dead. That also implies that he wants to replace the MCPON because of the death. And Halsey counters with him being MIA. I believe that he is referring to replace John as MCPON, not the SPARTAN-II's with the IV's. Questions?



Question: If the UNSC Navy believes that Master Chief is dead, as the interrogator in the video states, why would they hesitate to then fill this unique command/advisory position?


 * MCPON is not a traditional "rank" in the strictest sense; the NCO who fills this position is the senior enlisted advisor to the Chief of Naval Operations; the position used to be called Senior Enlisted Advisor of the Navy.  He is, by virtue of this position, the senior enlisted member of the Navy, but his pay grade is still equivalent to that of all other E-9s (Master Chief Petty Officers).  Now, although it has NEVER happened before in the history of the U.S. Navy, it is entirely possible that John-117 was awarded this position as a posthumous honor, but we don't have any evidence of that.  There has never been any word of a promotion in any story or any game, only the taping of an insignia to his grave.  Even if they did name him MCPON posthumously, they would still need a living officer to act in that advisory position and name one immediately.


 * As far as this "interrogator" wanting to "replace" John-117, or representing the interests of those who would, as MCPON... we've already stated that they believe him to be dead.  This would make as much sense as the U.S. government choosing not to replace the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff if he died or retired.  This is ALSO a unique position that is filled by a member of the U.S. Military, and this officer is, by virtue of the position, considered the most senior officer in the U.S. Armed Forces, and his job is to advise the civilian leadership of the military (i.e. the President, Secretary of Defense, etc...) in exercising their command functions.  This officer, however, is not "promoted" to a higher pay grade because of it.  If he dies or retires, another is named as soon as possible.  There would be no purpose in keeping the position open once it becomes vacant.


 * As for the interrogation referring to replacing John as MCPON, and not to replacing the Spartans as a whole, I believe that the replacement of the tiny, elite group of "broken" humans by a larger, less exclusive group is one of the larger points of the entire game, maybe this entire trilogy.  Remember that one of the themes of this game, as evidenced by the conversation between The Librarian and John-117 is the inheritance of the mantle by humans, from the Forerunners.  The Librarian modeled their future evolution and technological paths to mirror those of the Forerunners in order to facilitate this.  Librarian: "Reclaimer, when I indexed mankind for repopulation, I hid seeds from the Didact; seeds which would lead to an eventuality.  Your physical evolution, your combat skin, even your ancillae, Cortana.  Your are the culmination of a thousand lifetimes of planning."  In referring to John-117's Mjolnir armor as a Combat Skin, and Cortana as an ancillae, she was comparing human technology to that of the Forerunners, letting him know that humans were intended to take their place in the universe.


 * Now, keep in mind that ALL Forerunners, not just their Warrior-Servants, wore body armor that protected their bodies from harm, made them stronger and faster, etc... and also housed personal AIs called "ancillae" that acted as virtual, personal assistants.  Forerunners also mutated their bodies at specific points in their lives in order to become better suited to their roles in life.  For example, the Warrior-Servants became larger, stronger, tougher, and better suited to combat.  This technology and these biological augmentations they made to their entire population are remarkably similar, if much more advanced, than those made to the Spartans.  And now, its not just children that are being taken, trained, and augmented, but adults who have lived normal lives, have families, etc... the augmentations and armor are being made available to larger and larger portions of the population.  First, only to approximately 30 Spartan IIs, then hundreds of Spartan IIIs, now even more Spartan IVs.  Keep in mind another quote, by Dr. Halsey, in that very interrogation: "Your mistake is seeing Spartans as military hardware.  My Spartans are humanity's next step.  Our destiny as a species."  This phrase gives us another glimpse into the idea of Reclamation; that humanity will use their knowledge and technology to augment themselves, to grow as a species, and claim responsibility for life in the galaxy, as the Forerunners once did.  I believe the makers of the games are purposefully drawing parallels between the Spartans and the general Forerunner population, and making not-so-subtle hints by Dr. Halsey and the Librarian about humanity's future.


 * The "replacement" of the Spartan-IIs by the Spartan-IVs is the next step in that process.  Soldiers who have led normal lives, are "normal people" are becoming augmented like the Spartans.  This expansion of the augmentation to larger and larger portions of the human population is the main theme here, not the mere replacement of John-117 as the Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chief of Naval Operations. Rgleon9986 (talk) 19:25, December 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * All of this is to say that I believe that neither evidence (as provided by any official source) nor logic uphold the idea that John-117 was officially made MCPON, posthumously or otherwise.  In that case, the rank is speculative, and unless we're allowing speculation to be entered into these articles as official information, then we should return his rank to that of MCPO until and unless otherwise indicated. Rgleon9986 (talk) 20:23, December 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, the Halo Waypoint website explicitly refers to John-117 as "Master Chief Petty Officer John-117."  This longer form designation is not a "nickname" or convenient reference, like calling a MCPO "Master Chief" or a CPO "Chief" is; this is his full rank and name.
 * In this video: http://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/detail/6bc24b93-ec03-41f6-a7a0-d6315d872d8a/the-master-chief, at approximately one minute, they mention his promotion to Master Chief Petty Officer.  An additional promotion is never mentioned, even after specifically menitioning that most believe him dead.  Halo Waypoint has the most official information available, it is the standard of canon; any information that contradicts Halo Waypoint, while Microsoft retains the Halo IP and 343i continues to manage the franchise, must be considered strictly non-canon.  In light of this information, I believe that John-117's rank should be changed immediately from MCPON to MCPO.  Rgleon9986 (talk) 20:41, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

height and weight change from official halo 4 website
From the halo 4 offical website it changes the height and weight of Master Chief into 218cm(7ft 2in) and 130kg(286.6lbs). Should we consider changing the information about him? You can view it here: http://halo.xbox.com/halo4/en-US/?#!an-epic-universe/characters/8c164b48-05e7-4c13-a268-f60ec3a72938[[User:Gredragonat|Gredragonat] (talk) 11:37, August 16, 2012 (UTC)]