Talk:Ghosts of Halo/Archive

CLARIFICATION OF GHOST EVENTS: An analysis of True, False, and Fake ghosts of the Halo Series.
'''These many ghostly encounters depicted in the Halo series needs major clarification. I created the "True and False ghosts" concept to help clarify the phenomena. True Ghosts are like those seen in Halo 2. Depicted as Spartans that are indestructible, have no walking or turning animations, and can only face the four compass directions (usually the direction it spawns, but changes every once in awhile as seen in The Ghost of Lockout). True ghosts are the REAL description of the ghosts of Halo. False ghosts are another story.

'''False Ghosts are vehicles that move by themselves, random weapon fire, random wraith mortars, and random grenades. These are most usually apparent in Halo 3, and are not ghosts, but small system glitches. Other False ghosts include those that are being controlled by a mod, a player, or a Bungie staff. Keep in mind that if you have encountered a "ghost" such as these, they are not real ghosts.'''

'''So far, the only True ghosts that have much evidence to back them up have been discovered in Halo 2. For this reason, Halo 2 may be the only Halo game in the series to contain a real ghost. Most accounts of ghost sightings in Halo 3 that match the description of a true ghost do not have enough evidence to back them up, or are simply hoaxes or mods. The ghosts of Halo 3 are not to be taken seriously. Furthermore, The Ghost of Lockout is a Network Glitch, a very big mistake on Bungie's part. It would be nearly impossible to duplicate to a next-generation system. Bungie may be joining Live sessions to tease the players, but these are NOT real ghosts.'''

'''Once again, please understand that so far no ghosts have been discovered in Halo 3, only False ghosts. Plus, most of these accounts are hoaxes/fakes and mods, so none should be taken as fact, but the original Ghost of Lockout.'

I agree but three question that you didn't mention 1) where did the shots come from 2) was there lag?

Yeah I'm not being mean here but whats your proof? Not being mean just a question. -RaynorKAP

I understand you're not being mean, and I'm not either when I say, "What's their proof? No one really has any proof of any Halo 3 ghosts, not enough people have seen everything that everyone else sees. Everything on the Halo 3 ghosts lists on the article is based on what people see on their own. maybe if they got video of it and posted it, people could judge for themselves and create a majority opinion. Some people do have videos on their File Share, but those videos are of False ghosts, like grenades popping out of thin air or vehicles spawning above a player.

'''The Ghost of Lockout has a video on YouTube that thousands of people have seen. So far there has been enough evidence to prove that it wasn't modding or anything. No one has been able to prove its fake. But the ghosts being discovered now in Halo 3, random people make up a story and decide to post it here to get people hyped up. Thats why I summarized the sections in the article. The many accounts listed on it gave no proof, and I don't want people reading it and creating there own story off of it.'''

I hope you understand.

I hope none of you mind but I've Re-Posted the List of Ghost sightings. But i Made it to where you have to Specify the "True" and "False" Ghost Crap. I hope you don't mind.

Explanation of a couple ghost events?
Whenever I'm forging, I see this event happen quite often. All of the sudden, a big friendly blip shows up on my motion tracker, and no one is there. However, I see this event happen during Matchmaking and Custom Games as well.

Do you know why?

It's because when vehicles move without someone controlling them (ex. Banshee falling from sky without pilot), it shows up as a big yellow dot. This also occurs when vehicles respawn, which creates a "flashing" effect.

I submit that this can explain a few of the ghost stories. Erikster 05:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)Erikster

'''Usually these blips come from unmanned vehicles that are moving. Like a falling Hornet. Don't be fooled, these are not ghosts.'''

i cant tell if this is a ghost or system glich, i was making a race map for my brother when i heard the sound of a scarab shot firing at me but i couldnt find a beam. when i looked at a hill it had plasma rifle shots all over it was only me and there was no lag but xbox live was turned on i need an explanation please!

i was playing xbox live lone wolves on high ground when the game kept constantly starting over and over again. every time it happened my guy died (elite all ascetic armor) when i looked at my body and it was orange with combat armor! the flaw was that i was the only elite in the game and was steel and red colored!) need explanation for this!

'''Well, to the first one, about the race map, what map were you playing on? This may help people understand what happened.'''

'''To the second one, thats just lag. I know this, because recently my Xbox Live connection has been extremely bad, and every game I play there is a couple times where everyone randomly dies. And yes, a few times its so laggy that things start to change color. But this is just lag.'''

I was playing on vahlhalla map, started at the base next to the clift went to the one near the ocean, bam i hear the noise then i look at the "monkey faced" hill plasma rifle shots all over and was forgei was on joinable xbox live.

Halo 3 Flood looking ghost in Custom Game
I was once playing Halo 3 during a storm. I was lagging very bad and suddenly everybody died except me because I lost connection then suddenly a Flood looking thing appeared in front of me for 2 seconds then disappeared then the whole map went laggy then 5 seconds later I lost connection to the ethernet PS remember I just said it looked like Flood

Possibly due to the bits of code in the level. Hackers have reported random bits of code in the multiplayer levels similar to Brute coding in campaign. Its possible that the lag triggered a renegade Flood code. -signed Druin-209

Halo: Combat Evolved TRIAL VERSION ghosts
I recently download Halo 1 trial version and started playing multiplayer in the blood gulch, and I would always die randomly!!!! Sometimes I would look and I got killed by a needler (gun). I was on the blue team when I die I always see this blue guy weilding no gun and I can't kill him and he has no character tag or name and when I run over him he just moves!!!! He doesn't attack or anything! He is like on drugs or something!!!!

This is possibly just a major system glitch.

Halo 3 Ghosts
I removed this section. There is no evidence or verification for any of the content there, so there is no proof of any of those events actually occuring. Sgt. Raynor 20:39, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

It is possible to "make" a ghost

Go to forge, one Elite and one Spartan Get the no arms glitch using the gravity hammer with the elite Get no arms with energy sword with the spartan Have the spartan lunge at the elite NOTE: Your system will crash after a little bit and the elite floats around the map ocassionaly with no head. You can't go into theater and watch and you move in chunks.

ghost testing
I was testing to see if I could find the ghost like it said on Valhalla, I modded the game but the way I did, that ghost wouldn't touch me, I put my gravity on 50% and speed on 300%,instant kill,immune to head shots,infinite ammo,grenade respawn,Assult Rifle and Rocket Launcher as start weapons,Motion tracker to 150 meter range and enhanced mode,good camo, invulnerability, 2x overshield,and double shield recharge rate.

Do you think it could touch me with all that power? Voy101

My brother did that, you're virtually invincible, but you can still get assassinated, and a ghost may be able to kill you anyway. -- Zarra &#39;Yairum 21:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Well I say unless someone has a video of them seeing the ghosts or seeing things like "several spartan laser shots being fired out of nowhere" Signed Lumpy485

I think it all depends on the type of ghost he may find. If it's like the Ghost of Lockout, and it's invincible, has unlimited grenades, and never misses, then I doubt your friend will survive. If its a "player" ghost, which acts like a normal player (Still has unlimited grenades and possibly never misses, but killable), then your friend should do fine. -signed Druin-209

I believe that if you set base player traits differently, the ghost may be just as powerful as the it may inherit base player traits. And even if you're invincible, the instant kill settings will kill invulnerable players. Seeing as it never misses, probably adapts according to motion tracker, and has the element of surprise, I have to say it has the advantage. However, due to the scarcity of ghost sightings that are verified or appear to be real, I can have no true analysis of the ghost yet.

-Lotus Leaf

ARTICLE THOUGHTS
Are you guys glad I made this article to replace Ghost of Lockout? This article seems much more organized and helpful. Lovemuffin Wiki UserpageTalk PageContributions 01:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Articles awsome, thank you.

Halo 2 Ghosts
Halo 2 "ghosts" have been repeatedly proven to be caused by leaving and rejoining a game during lag. The "Ghost of Turf" was not a "fake:" the whole point of it was to show people how to recreate the "Ghost of Lockout." Since the "ghosts" on Turf acted exactly the same as the "ghost of Lockout," it logically follows that they were probably made using the same technique. Also, there is no proof that the ghost of Lockout could auto-stick, could not be assassinated, had unlimited ammo, didn't need to aim, etc. : if the "ghost" was indeed a dummied player or something similar, all those would be secondary effects (the other players would see the "ghost" aiming in one direction, while it was actually aiming in another). 139.78.10.72 06:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

if your talking about the ghost that waked through the wall it was a fake. VanFlyhight 20:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

mythbuster and ghost hunters
ladies and gentlemen a halo ghost is easily makeable simply follow the directions there are two ways

1 start a game of juggornaught but make it so that the juggornaught has infnite ammo, regenerating grenades,poor camo, one hit kill, low gravity, high speed,and the forced color is white or yellow or what ever then bam you have a ghost any comments

2 MOD

as for the halo 2 ghost I don't have an explanation

Good, except for the fact that some ghosts dont walk, only slide, are sometimes invincible, dont happen in juggernaut, are able to see you without turning (dont turn at all), never miss, have no gamertag or ID, and are not shown on the player list while in-game.

but what about things just apeering out of thin air,there are some things you can't explain why they happened in the game Voy101

I'm with Voy101. I have had a Mongoose spawn in mid air on sandrap where i did not put it. It would fall only if you walk under it. Which was odd.

-Cayman192

That happened to me too. It just stayed there until I walked underneath it and it fell on me.

-Major Lucrecio

causes
Some, or most/all ghosts are caused by lag of whatever, a player leaving/joining, but this raises some questions

1: Why are the ghosts, homicidal?

2: if its a palyer leave/join lag, why do they show up in games where the ability to join wouldnt be possible? like a invite only, or local/unsigned in game?

3: why the preference to swords and spartan lasers in halo 3?--cody6 04:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

'''I've got the answers to those. But please remember that no ghosts have been discovered in Halo 3, only False ghosts.'''

1: '''The Ghost are homicidal because the most popular theory is that Bungie created them as AI bots as sort of a test. These ghosts were used to test out players functions and things of that sort.'''

2: '''Its a popular theory, but you may be on to something. All the encounters with ghosts like this come from accounts in Halo 3, and remember, no TRUE GHOST has yet been discovered in Halo 3. For that reason, those are fakes, mods, or hoaxes.'''

3: Most of these ghosts are hoaxes, and the Sword and Spartan Laser is a popular choice of the people who create these stories.

ya, but ALL ghosts are not real (in the game or in real life) and all the halo ghosts, even the ghost of lockout, is a big glich in the games,so whats with to delete all those other things? i used to like this page because i liked to see what other people had found in the games, but since you came in and started do all this,i can't now,so thanks alot Voy101

'''I'm sorry, really. It just annoyed me how everyone says they've seen a Ghost. I guarantee you if there was never a ghost of Lockout, there wouldn't be any of these other "ghosts" people say they see. And these things people say they found aren't always true. They could be making it up, or their mind could be playing tricks on them. And by the way, the thing you said about all ghosts being glitches, thats exactly what I'm implying. But again, I'm sorry. This all just started to bug me a little.'''

Hello, this is WDAWG3. I am a longtime follower of the ghost stories. I had a question for Spydr, the Ghostbuster. Is it at all possible that a false ghost could be caused by playing Halo 3 with any part of the Red Ring of Death? It seems plausable due to the fact the the Red Ring is caused by various system errors.

'''Yes, I'm sure you could encounter ghosts by playing with the Red Rings. But I wouldn't recommend this, it could really mess up your system!'''

Also... true ghosts HAVE been discovered in Halo 3, myself being one of the finders, but whenever they're posted they're taken off. If they get re-posted, arguments erupt. So you can't say Halo 3 has NO true ghosts.-ZaneFrontier

I have seen a true ghost and many false ghost. I have a whole group for ghost hunting and there is plenty of proof.-JUICEHEAD3311

Avalanche.
There is mention of a ghost siting on Avalanche in regards to an invisible Wraith and the sort. I am removing that since it is actually a glitch that Bungie addressed in their WWU.XRoadToDawnX 21:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

How to Only Have Proven Claims
I think that we should do either of the two following things.

1) Delete all the claims that do not have video proof.

2) Attach the clause "It is rumored that" to every claim that doesn't have video proof.

Most of these claims are so extraordinary, I can't believe them. They're funny, but I won't believe them. -Halofan333


 * Agreed. It's so amusing. "On April 5 2008, we got l33t killed by a scary ghost zombie, it was so scary. I told my mommy." - lawl. 78.144.44.168 14:15, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I personally think the entire article should be deleted. I think they're just bad connections. At any rate... it is far too easy to say someone saw a ghost on a map, and they're popping up like wildfire. Video proof should be at the very least provided. XRoadToDawnX 23:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe there should be a log of unvalidated claims (with a disclaimer) that links to this page. It would be more organized and people can still see the stories. Just a thought, I don't know how it would work. -- Zarra &#39;Yairum 21:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Every time I have had evidence, it has been my controller shake randomly. You cannot delete that because there is not way I can prove through video. So you cannot say it never happened because you did not experience it. -MadgunnerMystery

'''I completely agree with you. Thats why I took down the long lists on the page and made them into one small paragraph. The only things I left up were the more specific ghosts: The Ghost of Lockot, the Ghost of Turf (I know it was faked, but its the most well known next to the Ghost of Lockout), and the Ghost of Blackout. For it to be on the article, there has to be evidence that it WAS NOT modded, and proof that it isn't fake. Otherwise, you can talk about it here.'''

I also agree with Zarra, there needs to be another sub-page or something that has a list where people can post there own ghostly experiences.

Halo PC info
Shouldn't the section regarding Halo PC be removed, both expressly state the games were modded (which is enough to merit a removal), but being a PC game, I would think it would be easier to make a ghost appear. This is what I believe, at any rate. XRoadToDawnX 00:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Halo PC info:

I must disagree with your position regarding the information being taken down. I witnessed the events, and know the person who made the modification. He did not, and does not, have sufficient knowledge in the field of modding to perform such a stunt. Furthermore, due to the nature of the map the Ghosts were witnessed on, it would be impossible for such changes to be made. I can, and am willing to, produce proof that modding would not be the cause of the Ghosts.

In addition, the conditions regarding the Ghosts appearance is in accordance with other conditions in which Ghosts have appeared: High-lag situation, only joiners being able to view the Ghosts, and unexpected disconnect shortly after the Ghosts' appearance.

Hopefully, you will take my words into consideration.

Sincerely, Moxus

hey so if the video is in my fileshare is that good proof?~zangor13

This is worse then the Apollo moon landing conspiracy theories
This is worse then the Apollo moon landing conspiracy theories. Why would bungie spend the time to hack into some game and make an mysterious character that does not appear to apart of the game for their own entertainment? Also I don't think this would be caused by some dead gamer.--Darth Scott 02:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Equate this to the real world and "supernatural" or "paranormal" phenomenon's. There is a logical explanation for almost everything in the world that experience that seems odd, but it is often the uneducated that jump to radical and completely unfounded conclusions.  So with these ghosts, it is the uneducated calling the shots and saying that Bungie is hacking all these X-Box's and such to have a good time.  When in all reality, it is just lag causing things to act the way they do.  I'm sure a good portion are false at that, with someone seeing a perfect opportunity to add gas to the fire, without needing any evidence (another annoying aspect about this article).  Ugh, this article is a joke if there ever was one... XRoadToDawnX 18:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Key word: Almost. Even those who can be considered educated in the areas of the "supernatural" agree that there are a small percentage of events that cannot be explained by conventional science.  However, they always try and rule every possibility out, which should be done here.  The two things that would have to be added to these videos to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that these are legit are:
 * 1) Proof that it is a game played on a single Xbox 360 (to rule out lag over Xbox LIVE or a LAN connection)
 * 2) Proof that the 360 is not modded in any way (to rule out modding)
 * If a video with proof of this, a view of the score column to show that it doesn't match the armor color of any people in the game (which many do) and the ghost itself, it will prove that these ghosts are real.Halofan333 00:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

So-called Ghost grenades are a glitch.
When grenades appear out of thin air in a forge game, that means the player hit the grenade trigger and turned into a monitor before he could complete the throw. The grenade will still spawn some time after. If its a grenade that appears in a forge game, thats what happened.
 * Plus, if the game connection is that bad, it will appear like the grenade came out of thing air. It's kind of like when you play in a very laggy game, shoot at someone, and see them "teleport", seemingly avoiding your shots. They really didn't teleport, the game is too laggy to keep up. Oh, and auto-aim can be explaned the same way.  Actually, everything any anything can be explained by sever lag or faults in the game programming like stated above. XRoadToDawnX 02:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes you can easily do this your self but in most cases it appears and explodes alter a minute or so, not an hour. VanFlyhight 20:15, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Ghost problem
Okay, I've been looking all day for a dumb ghost and yet no luck. No explosion or weird deathcan someone please help me.

-RaynorKAP

I thought I was weird hunting Ghosts. Now there is more than just me. Accually, the other day my brother and I tryied to hunt one down on Lockout with no sucsess. Oddly, before we left, my controller vibrated like my guy got shot. I did not hit the shoot button and my brother was in a different part of the building on the pause menu. There was noone around and I was alone on top of lockout. This may just be the ghost but he usually appers as a tangable form. I don't know what happened but it was creepy. Me and my brother do not have Live.

-MadgunnerMystery (my charaters name)

Odd, I kept hearing the sound of a plasma grenade hiss on lockout. it faded in and out. When one of my friends was just messing around he was firing dual wield SMGS. (This is on lockout) Over the sounds of the fire. We could faintly hear the sound of a one shot of a plamsa rifle. Weird!He was alone and did not have xbox live.

-RaynorKAP

It is a random occurance but today I told my friend about my encounter and he told me how he had a very simmilar occurance. We were playing on my Xbox and I left to go to the bathroom, he was alone and his controller shook like something shot him, but I was paused and my brother was doing his homework. He did not pay it any mind because we did not know about the ghost at the time, and he still refuses that it was the ghost.

-MadgunnerMystery

Today I decided to hunt more ghosts so I recorded things I thought were weird. My brother just jumped and landed on thin air. I recorded the event. Is this a ghost or just a glitch? I think he jumped on a ghost because it had the look as a player standing on player feel.

-MadgunnerMystery

'''Sometimes, this happens where you jump and land in thin air. I used to do it all the time for fun, but I could never figure out how. Its just a glitch, and by the way, the ghosts are visible characters.'''

Funny, I was playing with a friend on coagulation and he took the rocket and was about to jump into a banshee when all of a sudden it just blew up. It exploded backwards from the front like a rocket hit it, but my friend was standing behind it. me and my brother where battling on the other side of the map and the computer said that he commited suicide. He responed near where he died and picked up the rocket to show that it still had full ammo in it.

-MadgunnerMystery

How can they prove it.
Some of these are confirmed, but others could be just fakes. We need a way to figure out which ones are real and which ones are not. I say that for it to be fully confirmed there needs to be picture or video evidence.-Grunt Crossing

Well how can you make me prove my story through picture or video evidence? My controller vibrated but noone was around? You cannot just say that my story is not true just because you cannot see it, it's not real.

-MadgunnerMystery

'''I agree fully 100% with you. We all need to have a look into it for ourselves hen someone says they discovered a ghost. They should have a video or some sort of proof, and then we'll make a list. But if there is no proof or simply not enough evidence, then it won't be put up.'''

Sure. I believe that most ghost sightings are fake. But my encounter was real. I do not have an video or picture evidence because i have no clue how to transfer my sighting from theatre to my laptop. So the evidence just sits there on my xbox. I find it pointless to record clips and save them because it takes up space on the hard drive. so it get's overwritten by other custom games. So just because i don't have proof doesn't mean it didn't happen. as i said in my comment. I'm a believer. Are you?

-Cayman192 [[Media:Example.ogg]]

ghost of lockout encountered
i went to my freind's house to play Halo2, we talked about the ghost of lockout and my other freind says that it only happens on Xbox LIVE, but i acted stubborn and decided to play lockout anyway.

we dumped all our grenades and stood in single file, put our controllers far away from us, and waited.

all of a sudden (that means an hour later), a random plasma grenade sticks my friend and kills us both!

i know it was the ghost, we didn't have xbox LIVE, so it couldn't be bungie, and it couldn't have been us, cuz neither of us had any grenades.

after that, we heard a frag explode, but didn't see it.

Ghost of foundry And Halo 2 bin of death And bubble of death
My friend was at my house and he was on my 360 with his HDD and profile.I was eating and watching Doctor Who(great programme)in another room a few minutes in my friend came in shouting"GHOST THERES A GHOST!"i followed him to my room and he was playing forge with 4 friends .I then saw a moniter with no GT or service tag.he then turned into a spartan and tried to kill us using stickys.my memorys fuzzy but i think my friend Y2K Hollywood is his GT, killed him > My GT is darkraverTC just PM me and i will provide a video of it so you can see for yourself

The bin of death is a glitch on Halo 2 were you jump on a bin on outskirts at the pelican crash site.You jump for a minute or 2 and bam! shields ar gone and you die.

The bubble of death is a bubble shield that i could see and nobody else coud.I walked into it and i died .This was on last resort ,i drove a tank into the bubble and was thrown around the map.

Something to Believe In
The Ghost's of halo is one of the one things i am interested in. The Page "Ghosts of Halo" Was one of my favorite places to look up phenomonen. Although Most of the Alleged Ghost Sightings may be false. I have encountered a ghost once before. and it got me interested in trying to find out wether it was a lag or if it is an anomoly in the game. That Article gave me some evidence that can help me find out wether it is real or not. Anyway. That Article gave me something to beleive in.

I am a Beleiver, Are you?

i am and other beleiversxz can register at my forums here http://ghostsofhalo.myfreeforum.org/index.php?sid=f326be7cd08aa97b33da3a68d790d4e7 -zangor13

'''I am a believer. I believe that the Ghost of Lockout is a TRUE ghost of Halo. It may be the only true ghost. But the list on the article that shows all the ghosts, I believe that most or all of those are fake. I do not believe in a true ghost being in Halo 3, because one has not been discovered yet, but I do believe in True ghosts of Halo 2. '''

Qualifications for a "True" Ghost
Why does a "true" ghost needs to be invincible to count as a true ghost. Spydr's qualifications of a "true" ghost are:

-in the form of a Spartan or Elite player

-faces the four compass directions

-has no walking animation

-invincible

There are some ghost videos in YouTube that qualify for 3/4 of those qualifications, the one those ghosts do not seem to have is invincibility.

Here are some videos of the ghosts I mentioned. (Notice that in the third video mentioned, the ghost has an impossible animation for melee attacks, and how it is similar to Halo 1's melee shotgun animation.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=M43WSdkpoHQ

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jX6Q6E9RdOI

http://youtube.com/watch?v=h8gGN9t0Eto

Would these ghosts (if not hoaxes) qualify as "true ghosts" even though they do not have the invincibility of Spydr's terms ?

-Lotus leaf

'''Yes, these ghosts would qualify as true ghosts, according to the qualifications, but not the Foundry Ghost. Remember that Halo 3 ghosts may be very different from Halo 2 ghosts if there were any, because the two games are on different systems and different disks. But yes these would qualify as true ghosts. That is, IF they were ghosts.'''

'I studied the videos, and i noticed that the first one could easily'' be faked coupled with a mod. If you noticed, the red spartan moved around as if the player was using another controller. So when coupled with a mod, this could easily be faked. Now the next two videos. Like I usually say, not enough evidence. Notice in the Ghost of Lockout video, AfRoSaUcE gave a detailed explanation to why the ghost couldn't have been modded. It is possible to mod spartans in Halo 3. These could have been mods, or they could have been Bungie employees. I'm sure they weren't real ghosts though.'''

But, once again, were these ghosts real, they would qualify as true ghosts except for the Foundry ghost.

Actually think the ghost of vahlhalla is fake cus it was forge and if you look at the bottom right theres a scoreboard blue has one so they could have used leader traits, and a shot usually looks like it comes from above it sometimes and the vanishing hog could have been deleted by another moniter that wasnt shown in it. i just think its fake tell if you beileve spyder

Thanks for the clarification. By the way, I like the terms you use to separate "true" and "fake" ghosts. That puts away stories such as a Bubble Shield spawning in mid-air.

-Lotus Leaf

'''Yes, like I said the Valhalla video could easily be faked. And I do believe it is fake.'''

Ghosts A.I.
I have reviewed the Ghost of Lockout video and this ghost seems to adapt extremely well and be able to "think" for itself. It seemed to have some kind of sadistic personality and appeared to toy with and baffle AntiNoob and Underdogg. It also appeared somewhat omniscient.

First, it appeared when AntiNoob was seemingly alone, as Underdogg left his controller.

As AntiNoob looked around with Underdogg standing still behind him, the ghost stuck Underdogg with a plasma grenade right as AntiNoob turned around.

At one point, Underdogg was at a corner,(behind him was a fall to death), and AntiNoob running from the ghost. When the ghost stuck Underdogg, it threw (correct me if I am wrong) two plasma grenades at once. The notable characteristics of this act are that it "knew" Underdogg was there, and that it threw two plasma grenades at once,(though I suppose I shouldn't be surprised as it can throw grenades and shoot with its back turned on its target.)

At the last segment, when AntiNoob was being chased by the ghost and(forgive me if I say, foolishly) hid behind an explosive power core, the ghost appeared to move past him, but right when AntiNoob went to check if the coast was clear, the ghost was there (an act that I'm sure surprised many).

My point is that it seemed to know everything that was going on, and seemed to make a dramatic and surprising effect on the players.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but it acts like a very sophisticated AI and has knowledge of human emotions and how to activate fear and surprise.

Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, as this could all be just coincidence.

-Lotus Leaf

'''I see where your getting at. The ghost acts like it was actually being controlled by a player that knows what it is doing. Or maybe, it appeared that way.'''

'''First I just want to clear up the "two grenades at once" part. That was just the ghosts auto-sticking coming in. Notice that at one point the ghost throws a plasma grenade past Underdogg. And then right after that it disappears and a plasma grenade ends up ON the Underdogg. This is because the ghost missed Underdogg with its throw, but the grenade detected the player and automatically stuck to him, considering the ghost threw it.'''

'''Now, about the intelligence part of the ghost. It did seem like the ghost had an intelligent mind and seemed to be toying with the players, but thats not really what happened. A theory I used to follow was that Bungie was creating AI for custom games, like playing against a CPU. Bungie wanted to do this to keep players without Live interested in the game. But maybe this project got dropped at its testing stage. Than maybe Bungie forgot to delete the model. Think, what would be the characteristics of an AI Unit in Halo?'''

1. The AI would look for a certain weapon and automatically be set to search for that weapon.

2. The AI detected an enemy player in it's range of radar, it would most likely try to attack the player, regardless of what weapon it is holding.

'''If my theory WAS correct, than that is probably why the ghost seemed to be walking off in a certain direction for no reason. It was probably functioned to search for a certain weapon or other object. It was trying to kill Anti-Noob at the last segment but became confused when Anti-Noob dropped to the lower level. It continued it's search for whatever it may have been searching for, but when Anti-Noob reappeared in it's range of radar, than it went after him. However, since it was dropped early in the development stage, it may be confused when the player is o it's radar, but behind an object. So when Anti-Noob peeked around the explosive, the ghost detected him and attacked.'''

'''Anyway, its a little difficult to understand. This is just a theory, probably not true, but its the most logical. Maybe it was just a testing AI, not even meant as a CPU player, just used as a map or player function tester for Bungie. Sorry 'bout the long read.'''

I have a question, i dont have halo 2 but i know it doesnt have theater so how did anti noob get the video back?

'''Well I'm not an expert at filming game footage like anti-noob did, but I think he had one of those game cam things and applied it to the game once he saw the Ghost of Lockout. It could have been there before the video started and anti-noob went to get the camera. That's what I think happened.'''

Another question. If the ghost was infact AI that bungie forgot to completely erase, then why can players only see the ghost on xbox live? I have spent countless hours searching by myself offline on Lockout and I have found nothing.

This is Major Lucrecio and i think i have an explanation for ghosts. This is just a theory. Ever notice how the ghosts appeared after the people had played a long time? Maybe its an A.I. built from bungie who's main purpose is to stop the game from going too long, as in, to stop the game consol from overheating. Either that or it is the game consol that got too hot and it began to glitch, perhaps using a code of a past game that had a spartan of a specific color and type, and started spawning it. this is just a theory of mine, what do you think?

'''To the first question, I have two theories for this. Either:'''

1. This mode where you fought against AIs could also be played over Live with a friend, and Bungie deleted it from the Split Screen mode, but forgot to delete it from the Xbox Live mode.

2. Only something that can happen in Xbox Live would trigger the coding and awaken the ghost, but whatever this cause is wouldn't be possible to do in Split Screen (at least as far as we know).

'''To Major Lucreio, I agree with your theory, it sounds the most logical that I've heard yet. Overheating has been proven to trigger unknown coding or start glitching in games, not only Halo 2. The ghost of Lockout did appear after the console was left on for awhile, so this does seem very logical.'''



Thank you. Overheating could also be why their legs don't move. I'm sure the heat could cause A.I.'s commands like "Move leg" to be blocked. Major Lucrecio

Also, I've stated this before, I think, but Bungie has stated that on maps like High Ground, they used AIs to test balance in the game (in High Ground, the turrets). Maybe it's testing AI that wasn't deleted. -ZaneFrontier

Strange because the ghosts of halo 2 may have had less work on it so it was invincible and mainly used plasma gernades but just a theory also that the ghost characters in halo 3 may have had more work so it was killable but leftin the disk as in halo 2 but some couldve been bungie employees but, remember, just a theory.

Bungie Hiding Something
The strange thing is that bungie has never really stated an explination about these ghosts only that certain things are not ghosts. Another strange thing is that they never appeared in halo 1 but they appear in later games. If Bungie has had this problem in halo 2 why have there been reports of ghosts in halo 2 vista and halo 3? Don't you think after this problem in halo 2 bungie would not have made the same mistake in later games? Who knows there might be ghosts in halo wars.

There are two possible explanations for this:

'''1. One, is that there are no ghosts in Halo 2 Vista and Halo 3 but people like to create stories to get people hyped. This is why I believe that they only exist in Halo 2.'''

'''2. Two, is that Bungie saw the hype of the Ghost of Lockout, and felt that it was a good way to keep the game moving. So, they brought them back in Halo 3 to make people more interested. But if this is the case, then these ghosts are false ghosts, considering Bungie would control them.'''

False Ghost Reports
The ghost reports of Blackout and Sandtrap on the article page are most definitely false ghosts or just glitches. I believe that it would be preferable to remove them, since they are not even remotely related to a ghostly figures terrorizing players.

'''I agree, I will remove them from that list. However, I will put them in the paragraph below in a smaller sentence form.'''

Not to mention the floating gun ghosts, i have written the Exo arm glitch page, and some of these "ghosts" are made by the use of the Exo arm glitch.

-user:Major Lucrecio

False Ghosts and real ghosts Ordeal.
Hey i don't mean to be a Jerk about the whole False and Real ghost ordeal. But what's up with the whole "False Ghosts are Not Important" Thing... Such as Randomly Exploding Grenades, And Shots coming from nowhere might not be that big of a sighting and can be disproved in many ways... But saying that everything is pointless unless it's the Ghost of Lockout. Sure the "False Ghosts" are not that big. But i've been searching Halo 3 for ghosts for along time now... and all i've came across is "False Ghosts". I have had Odd Mongooses fall out of the sky on me multiple times, already. And now my sightings aren't worth nothing... Even after the many weeks searching, And i think many will think the same too. Even though I'm a believer of the "Ghosts of Lockout" i still consider some of the "False Ghost" Sightings as "true Ghost" Sightings. Because my definition of ghost is "Any unexplained documented event". I'm sorry but saying "False Ghosts" aren't Important, is like saying hearing Polterghiests doesn't count as a Real Ghost Sighting.

I'm not trying to sound like a Jerk here... but this is how I feel about the whole "False Ghost" Ordeal.

Cayman192

i agree,even though the only thing that has happened to(that you can even call a ghost)is the things that i put in an elephant fall out of thin air and the elephant disapeering Voy101

'''When I'm talking about False Ghosts, I'm not saying they aren't important. False ghost sightings are very rare, but not as rare as the True ghosts. Your definition of ghosts is very correct. "An unexplained documented event." I go by that definition as well. But its just how these ghosts appear. False ghosts appear as strange happenings such as random grenades or weapon fire. These ARE ghosts, so don't think I'm implying that your sightings aren't important. These are rare sightings and you should be proud of it. But the ghost that started it all was the Ghost of Lockout, and those types of ghosts are the types that really got this thing going.''' '''False ghosts are minor system glitches, but do occur very rarely and get triggered by unknown things. Since they happen so rarely, they ARE important. I'm just trying to separate the ghosts, I don't mean either one is less important than the other, but the true ghosts are more rare than false ghosts. I hope that clarifies for you.'''

Ok... I'm glad i got that settled... (I tend to Say what i think about things to make my voice heard. Sorry if i sounded like a complete Jerk.) Bacon11

Response to the Above
I apologize about the emphasis on true ghosts we've been talking about. However, I believe that everyone agrees that a true ghost is much more exciting to see than a grenade, vehicle, or piece of equipment spawn in mid-air. I am not trying to discredit any false ghost sightings.

Perhaps to accommodate both false and true ghost sightings, the article could be reorganized like the following text below.

(Game - Halo 2/Halo 3)

Map (Valhalla, High Ground, Sandtrap, etc.)

True Ghost Sightings -(List)

False Ghost Sightings -(List)

Map (Valhalla, High Ground, Sandtrap, etc.)

True Ghost Sightings -(List)

False Ghost Sightings -(List)

... and so on...

Perhaps such a format could balance and separate true and false ghost sightings.

-Lotus Leaf

'''Yes I thought about that, but then I thought there should be some sub-page type thing where anyone can post their ghostly encounters, but separate from the original article. I don't know how that would work.'''

Ghost of Blackout
I just recently re-read the section regarding the ghost of Blackout, and according to the response on first comment, I believe that the ghost of Blackout would be considered to be a true ghost, since is was clarified that a true ghost does not necessarily need to be invincible. I'm just posting this to state a possible error.

Also, I do not think that it could have been hoaxed. It clearly had no walking animation, faced simple directions, and threw a grenade from its back. Unless throwing and shooting from one's back can be modded, I think that this ghost could be real.

-Lotus Leaf

Agreed. Nicmavr 11:19, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I concur. Fh

'''It could be real, but it is most likely a Bungie staff. It's human-like features and actions were far more real than the Ghost of Lockout's. This could be seen as it was toying with the players. It probably couldn't have been done by a player, but a Bungie Employee. So then it would probably be a False ghost. There is the possibility of a true ghost though.'''

bungie employees love recon and flaming helmet so they could have looked like that armor but usually a ghost (maybe) cant switch armor so its probably a true ghost not a bungie guy.

can ghosts even use the flaming helmet? i mean none so far have used it one MAY have had all recon but most likely not. ~ zangor13

I might be speaking before thinking, like i normally do, but i believe the blackout ghost is a fake, as after watchin the video of the ghost exstensivly, it seems that the player with the katana spawns on one of the towers and throws a frag grenade at the ghost before he even reveals hes in the room below and it doesnt seem to see a red dot for the "ghost" but it was pretty bad quality so i kould be wrong, but if i'm right that means he knew the ghost was there or going to be there. how did he no where the ghost was unless it was set up? The Back Water Guy

To all regular contributors to this article...
I have had enough with all the nonsense users has input in this article. All information I have seen have been total nonsense due to not having any sources. Please, to all users, just add in the ones that are deemed as official and famously known. No personal events.

So, I say this all:

Stop with all the disputed information within this article. All information without any sources will be considered as just pure nonsense and will be reverted. Stop the dispute, save the quality!!

'''THANK YOU! People, please provide a sours for your encounters or some type of proof that it was not modded or hoaxed in anyway.'''

would you people just let us add what we want to add already,like it was before,just remove the things you can tell is a load of BS Voy101

Like I said, if it doesn't have any sources, it will be removed...Little _ Missy -  12:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

'''I agree, no evidence, no recognition. People could put whatever they want up there, and it will all still look like BS. There's no way to know for sure unless it has evidence that it wasn't hoaxed, faked, or modded. We don't want people getting hyped up and going ghost hunting over something that does not even exist.'''

Agreed. F.h. - Flood Beware! 02:49, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I would agree but still... I will soon have a source to my ghost sighting that has happened recently... I have saved the Thing and What more should i do... The quality of it will go down because the only way for me to Put my sighting on the internet is if i stuck my Camcorder up to the TV and filmed it... I don't have that $90 thing to import it with the best quality. Some people have no way of Putting proof online. Even if they did it would start a dispute on wether it is Valid or not. So at least make a sub-article for people to Post their sightings in speech. Bacon11

'''This is what I am thinking about doing, though I do not know how. I understand some people have no way of filming or showing their encounters over the internet, but then if we let people post their experiences without proof, anyone could just put anything up, and anyone would believe them. So I agree, someone should create a sub article for people to post their encounters.'''

THIS IS BS! I have seen many ghosts and I cant prove it because I dont have live or a capture card. "the truth is no more true if the whole world beleives it, nor is it less so if no one beleives it". Think about it, Dragonblaze-052 10:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC).

'''You say this is BS. That's strange, because you know what else is BS? Over two thirds of every ghost account that was posted on that list. Anyone can come and lie about things to get people hyped up. If they had proof, maybe their encounter would be considered real. But for people who can't prove it, I'm hoping there will be a sub article for these accounts. Think about it.'''

that is True Most People lie in order to get people hyped about nothing... I've been searching for Weeks for a Ghost encounter and it doesnt matter wether it's true or not... People beleive it anyway. we just have to face the fact that people lie about things like that. I agree in the Sub-artical because it would be kinda cool to see what others put on that page... I have seen many ghosts too... although i do not have a live capture card i have no way to prove it... But i don't care if people believe me or not... Because what happened to me was true and i know it was true. and no one can strip me of that. You just have to face the fact that people sometimes won't believe you without proof.

Let me quote this,

"You just have to face the fact that people sometimes won't believe you without proof"

- Cayman192

So, think about that...Little _</tt> <font color="#7DF9FF">Missy</tt> -  03:16, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

'''I don't know how to make a sub-article thingy, but we have to put some sort of disclaimer or message stating that they are all based on eye witness accounts and shouldn't be taken as fact or something like that. Is there anybody here who can create this page?'''

There is no way of making a sub-article. However, we can leave a disclaimer. I'll post it up...<font color="#0000FF">Little</tt> <font color="#0090FF">_</tt> <font color="#7DF9FF">Missy</tt> -  04:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

you should just make a list like it says false ghosts list and a true ghosts list but delete them if theres no evedence. it may work.

My Ghost Sighting
Ok... I finnally After so long... i have successfully put my ghost sighting on youtube... Unfortunately it is very poor quality... Because i had to use my camcorder to film it... So here it is... there is my Proof right there... URL:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wctOqpBzy3c

It is my Sandtrap Mongoose Spawn Thing... I hope you enjoy... Bacon11

Nice video... Although that was probably just a system glitch, which we call a "false ghost". But you have proven that really happened.Nicmavr 17:23, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

'''Nice, now I can see these mongooses you've been talking about for awhile. That is pretty neat, the way they fall when you walk under them. This is a False Ghost, but it is still very rare and neat. You're lucky to at least have seen a false ghost, I've never seen one in my time playing Halo.'''

Ok... Even though i have one ghost sighting on Youtube... I will not stop searching untill i find something even more interesting... it that sighting took me two weeks to find!!! so i'm going to have to be patient to find anything else... Bacon11

'''That might take awhile, but you may find something. Don't give up. ; )'''

I have just found out something very interesting... Ok... i was re-tracing my steps in my ghost sighting when i came across the overloading glitch when attempting to Overload the map on Sandtrap i realized that this is almost the same thing me and my bro were doing when the mongooses spawned... After the mines exploded a Mongoose spawned in mid-air and fell a great distance when i walked under it... Just Like it did in my Original Sighting. when i overloaded the map again after starting a new round... The Mongoose fell again... so i think Overloading the map can be the cause of some False ghost sightings...Bacon11

'''Overloading the map is filling it with things that can cause lag no matter what Network your on right? Like fusion coils and trip mines? Sorry, I'm not familiar with that much. But this could very possibly be a trigger, I might try it.'''

Overloading a map is when you fill an area with explosives, such as trip mine. with insant respawning, you can create a pile of them that is huge. The resulting explosion overloads said map. As for sandtrap, i have replicated the falling Mongooses with the overload, as Bacon did. It is probably caused by the extreme lag bringing out hidden coding

i have started a clan for ghost hunters and we ghost hunt everyday or mostly everyday we have forus here http://ghostsofhalo.myfreeforum.org/index.php  and we appreciate your reports of ghosts.

Should we really class killable ghosts as "false ghosts?"
I have just thought: Do you think that we should class killable ghosts as: false ghosts"?

I mean, ghosts that have the form of a player and still slide around, but are killable, like the orange one on blackout.

I just thought: just as long as it has no walking animation, so what if it's killable?

And if it was controlled by bungie, maybe we should still say that bungie-controlled ghosts are "True ghosts".

What do you think? Nicmavr 14:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Aren't Halo 3 ghosts killable?? F.h. - Flood Beware! 04:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, some of them are. But that's my point. Should we really class them as "false" just because they are killable? Nicmavr 07:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Personally i would think that a killable ghost should classify as a true ghost, because they carry most of the same traits of the Ghost of lockout but they are killable...Bacon11

Exactly! Nicmavr 09:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

'''Hmmm... These ghosts would probably fall into their own category, but remember that there are no proven accounts of ghosts in Halo 3. So we can't really be sure of that. But, I think I should create one more category of ghosts, like maybe half-ghosts to support this idea of killable ghosts. Half-ghosts are more true ghosts than Flase ghosts, because they are killable player models, instead of just a random, strange happening. So its like a sub-category of True Ghosts. I'll put this up on the article.'''

I have a few questions to clarify
1. There was a video i found on youtube a long time ago that had a killable ghost on foundry, but it showed everyone in the game, and the ghost wasn't one, why was it deleted.

2. The ghost of lockout was proved a mod, admitted by it's creator.

3. Is there a trigger event that could spawn a ghost?

4. Has anyone ever asked bungie what are the ghosts all about?

5. The reason the theory that the ghost was bungie in blackout, was because it acted like a human toying with the players, not an A.I. The video showed no one else in the game, and we all know that bungie has the capability to record every game, show every kill from every angle, so why wouldn't they have the power to do this and not be detected. I agree it needs more proof to be confirmed, but so does every other theory hence the name THEORY.

6. There were no halo 2 ghosts, but after seeing how popular it was, bungie probably thought it a good idea to put them in halo 3. This is just a theory of mine, and i would appreciate some feedback, and not yelled at for being uneducated for making a theory.

Sincerely Sitheris

I see some good points in there...Bacon11

'''I agree with Bacon on a couple things. Here's what I think:'''

'''1. I think I know the video you're talking about. If its on a forged Foundry map during a Forge session, and a plasma grenade went off, then that could easily be faked. Otherwise every account of a sighting was deleted because There is simply not enough evidence to prove any of them.'''

'''2. I'd like to see where you found this information on the ghost of lockout. And by the way at the time when that video was created it was not possible to mod Halo 2 maps over Xbox Live.'''

'''3. Yes, thats how ghosts are spawned. They are major Network/System glitches that spawn when a certain thing happens within the gameplay. It is very hard to find the triggers however.'''

4. I'm sure there have been people asking Bungie, but I have never heard of it.

'''5. Yes, this makes the Ghost of Blackout a Half-Ghost. This is my theory on the ghost of Blackout as well, and it is the most logical and the most popular theory.'''

'''6. This is one of the many popular theories of the Ghost sightings in Halo 3. Bungie most likely put them in to keep the game moving. But we're not sure about all that yet...'''

The video maker admitted that his lockout video was a mod.

The ghost wasn't the grenade during forge, it was an orange spartan that glided across the map with a battle rifle, and fought everyone, it was killable, and had the same traits of the ghost of blackout, i will try to find a link to the video.

Sitheris

Hmmm... Spydr gave some interesting info... but i never knew it was possible to mod a Xbox(One)... I have never knew anyone that modded gamesystems so up untill a few months ago i never knew it was possible to mod a game system... because you would have to find a way to hook a computer up to it.Bacon11

The Foundry Ghost mentioned by Sitheris can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX6Q6E9RdOI -Lotus Leaf

if true ghosts were in halo 3, they couldve been security guards for your team if the other team was cheating (in a funny opinion of mine.)

Possible Ghost of Relic
My friend and I were playing on Relic offline when we left the room (with me standing near the sniper tower and my friend inside a ghost) to get something to eat. We were the only ones in the house at the time. About 45 minutes later we hear the sound of a ghost vehicle exploding and we race to the room and find that my friend died in the game and the screen says "Killed by The Guardians". Is this a possible ghost of Relic?

'''It could be, keep searching. Maybe it happened because you left your Xbox on for a long time. Still, it could easily be a system glitch caused by overheating.'''


 * Yep, agreed with spydr. Nicmavr My Work My Edit Count Talk!

I agree as well, though it's proabably a System Glitch. Or He was standing underneath the Ghost spawn. Jaws Redfield 12:57, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

False Ghost Encounter
I was making a new pile of fusion coils to launch a warthog (my best attempt went about as high as Aegis Fate) when they all of a sudden exploded.

In theater, I saw a gauss warthog (strange, since I only used machine gun warthogs) spawn high above me, and damaged the fusion coils which killed me. If I was a human player, it would have splattered me, but it detonated some fusion coils anyway.

I will post it on YouTube once I can. This system glitch may have been caused by excessive trip mines.

-Lotus Leaf

Well, yes, that is most likely a system glitch, which is a false ghost. Do show us the video as soon as you can !

Nicmavr My Work My Edit Count Talk! 20:03, 11 Aug

What hapened to the article?It used to be bigger and better.

just a theory
Maybe its a hacker using action replay or something. Wolf man 20:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

your probably right when it comes to hackers, because in blackout it was a bungie guy (whats strange to me is look at him melee, he hits down not up) and (maybe) the ghost of last resort (he hits down also.)

Glitches that cause ghosts
This is Major Lucrecio and I have found a glitch that causes a ghost to appear. While playing forge, I let my friend come in and play. We then heard a scream and when we looked, we found a body. This glitch is caused when someone enters forge. To do the glitch, you have to enter forge by yourself, then when the game is started, have your friend come in. Sometimes you will hear a scream. Even if you don't, get out of forge and go to theater, and when your friend is about to join, hold the RT button very lightly with your right index finger while pressing up on the arrow pad, just before your friend joins, a being on the opposite team should appear. The ghost will not move and will quickly die. It will have its own symbol and no gamertag. when it dies, it takes the symbol of your friend. You do not need live for this glitch to work.

false ghost or random occurance encountered
This was really strange, I was playing a laggy game of infection on sandtrap (it was so laggy, I was on foot and started driving a turretless warthog) when i was on the elephant I see this purple guy holding an assualt rifle slide up to me and dissaper (I would have put it in my file share but i played to many games after it so it couldnt go in fileshare) the colors were blue, gold, steel, orange, and a pink zombie (lol) can you tell me what this is Spyder?

I can answer for this as the game you mentioned was that laggy it could have resulted in a player come toward you then telport to another place. Also the the sliding could have been that person might have jumped and but slide instead toward you. I can give you a example the big rock on vahalla by the water fall base there is a little jut out but you can not walk on this jut but slide. But in extreme lag it has ben noted that if someone jumps by the boundry on vahalla lake base they will glide when they come back down on the water.-Death Rider

Well i had that Teleporting thing happen to me many times when playing CoD2 online... although this is game is not halo, lagging can cause other players to jump from one place to the other because they are going to fast for the Internet link... But i have nothing to say about the Purple dude just appearing... Bacon11

'''These guys pretty much summed it up for you. It was most likely lag, this happens often during lag. And as in a few accounts, spartans (though this hasn't been seen in Elites yet) have been prone to change color, because the lag messes up texture codes.'''

Speaking of which i was playing a game of team swat when i see a normal guy named destruction5674 (i think) became a ghost of halo for second no leg movement compass direction if you wanna see it my gamer tag is EarthOwl (im muted usually.) the strange part is that not bad lag so this may have been a system glitch in his game.

Ghost of Lockout Questions
Is it true that AntiNoob admitted that the Ghost of Lockout was a mod ?

WAS the Ghost of Lockout a mod ?

Was modding available around the time AntiNoob encountered this ghost ?

If AntiNoob admitted that the ghost he encountered was a mod, I'd like to see the source. I'm not accusing people of lying, I just want to see if that the ghost I've looked up to was a mod or hoax with my own eyes.

-Lotus Leaf

1:no it wasnt a mod and he admitted it was a laggy player and 2: modding was not availableat the time the video was recorded so in general a player joined the game but was real laggy so they didnt show up on the scoreboard and they appeared to be sliding. Zangor13 10:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

1. He said on the video message board that it was a mod.

2. Modding was around at the time, but it wasn't nearly as easy as it is now, and very few knew how to do it.

3. Bungie saw the popularity of the video, and probably decided to add the ghosts in halo 3

4. Thus the ghost of lockout is a "False" ghost, but the ghosts of halo 3 are probably the "True" ghosts.

5. Even if i am wrong and it wasn't a mod, but lag, then that still would make #4 True which is the more important thing.

Sitheris 22:11, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

'''Actually, it really was possible to mod back then, and Sitheris is right, it WAS difficult. But you missed the Xbox Live part. It wasn't possible to mod over Xbox Live. You are right about number three. Bungie felt this ghost could be used as a way to keep the series going and maybe placed a few in Halo 3, although this isn't exactly confirmed. And I'm sure the Ghost of Lockout wasn't a laggy player, lag that bad would cause an original Xbox to almost completely breakdown. And the lag would have been evident. The player's screen didn't skip frames or anything. And I would still like to see a link to the evidence that the Ghost is a mod.'''

Could it have something to do with the Halo 3 disks?
I've just been thinking... could ghosts be caused accidentally by the player's disk?

It could be that the player's disk got scratched in the part which it "creates" players into the game. If that's the case, then the game may have accidentally created the ghost into the game the player is playing. Could this be possible? Nicmavr My Work My Edit Count Talk! 12:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

This maybe possible, but ur asking the wrong person, i dont know, but i hope not because then that would make me depressed putting all this time and effort into a simple glitch due to a scratch. Sitheris 22:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

You mean like the way you can make some of us depressed by saying the very reason this article is here, the Ghost of Lockout, is a fake?

But anyway, you could be right, I never thought of that before.

I do not wish to depress anyone, I am only suggesting a possibility. We can still say that the ghosts are real, even if it's just a scratch. Major Nicmavr My Work My number of edits My talk |undefined

Yeah, maybe if this is the case, a whole load of people want to get another Halo 3 copy. They overscratched their disks -Lotus Leaf

'''Also, wouldn't a glitch as big as this be to big for a disk scratch? Scratches only cause things like no sound effects and texture glitches, nothing real big like extreme lag and things like that. I think a few false ghost sightings could be due to disk scratches, but true ghosts would be associated with system and network glitches, unless you had a really scratched up halo disk.'''

Ghost of Lockout proof
This is the proof that i was wrong, the ghost of lockout was a network error, not a mod, and not a real A.I. ghost. These sights are all the proof i could find. Sitheris 01:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)



(Read the description of the video)



"Video Made by: Anti Noob, I am not Anti Noob, I am AfRo SaUcE.

This description is not meant to show how to "make the ghost come" cause there is really no such thing as a ghost so please stop sending messages asking how to make him come.

The only reason im posting this video is to tell all the noobs that the Ghost Of Lockout is not a mod and is in fact a network glitch..

Before you noobs come up in here spamming that this is a mod, its not and I'll explain. Here's how it works: The "Ghost" is actually a person in the game that the host (in this case, Anti Noob) can only see as a default spartan sliding around with no walking animation. Now you noobs are probably saying "How can he have no walking animation without a mod?" Well you cant mod spartans and elites to have no animation or you're game is bound to freeze. That also goes for the "auto-sticking". On Anti Noobs screen he sees the "ghost" of course as I said before a default white spartan and he is sliding everywhere and has no animations.. this also means he really doesnt have a turning animation. How he has the grenade throwing and shooting animations is caused by the lag giving him those attributes. Now on the person that is the "ghost" 's screen he is actually walking and turning around and doing all sorts of stuff that you cant see on anti noobs screen. Another way to prove its not a mod is that back when this video was made it was IMPOSSIBLE to mod old maps (I.E. Lockout) on Xbox Live. as you can see this is filmed on Xbox live because you can see Lag/Ping bars next to their names whenever he holds back or dies. in the present time which is now people do mod old maps somehow in matchmaking and yeah its pretty homosexual. All you noobs that think its a Bungie/Xbox Live Admin... think again that is the stupid thing you could ever think of that would happen in Halo 2 more or less Xbox Live. Admins cannot join your games without names nor can they spy on you or any crap like that. No such thing or bungie would have revealed it by now. There is no frame skipping, I dont see why someone would frame skip to lie about something on a damn video game. No frame skipping! This video isnt new by the way its well over a year old, before you could mod old maps online... Anyway yeah I think thats about it. No mod just a network glitch. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS NOOBS! NETWORK. N-E-T W-O-R-K Glitch! no mod! Network! ok F off dang..."

-AfRo SaUcE

No i am not Afrosauce i am just using the quote

'''Okay, so this is what you were reading. I've read that before, and thats where I got my information that you couldn't mod maps over Xbox Live when the video of the ghost was released. Also, I just wanted to tell you, a network glitch IS a ghost. There is no such thing as a "Real A.I. Ghost"'''

True, not yet, but i disagree that the ghost of lockout should be the definition for a true ghost. IT WAS A PERSON CONTROLLING THE GHOST! how would a person and a glitch justify being a ghost. That is the problem, everybody has their own definition of a ghost, which is what the original page was all about, people posting their ghosts. It is like trying to put a solid definition on a god. It is impossible. People can only put down the definition that they belive, and as long as that holds true, their will be controversey. Your definiton of a ghost is one that a player controls during a network glitch. My definition is that it is a A.I. that goes through and kills people at random if it kills at all, programmed into the game by bungie. Until they comment on the matter of what a ghost is, we can't put a solid definition on the word "Ghost." Sitheris 18:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Ghost, Glitch, or What ?
I was doing an EXO - Arm Glitch, and I was using a third player to do some business when my monitor performing the glitch just died. For some reason, I didn't get a replay on Theater. Coincidentally, when the monitor died, the controller lost connection. Can anyone explain what this is ?

I would have looked at the replay, but I didn't get one. If you have any ideas, please tell me.

-Lotus Leaf

'''This is just a glitch. Performing glitches usually trigger other glitches because, while performing the original glitch, you messed up coding for A.I., objects, textures, and the environment of the ap you performed it on. Theater mode can't take replays of videos with mixed up coding, and when it does, everything just appears as normal.'''

Most likely, it's just lag. But, are you sure that the third player didn't kill you?

What was the description of the death? Major Nicmavr My Work My number of edits My talk |undefined 05:10, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

You see, I used three controllers at once. It was a local match. I don't remember the description of death, but I know it wasn't the Spartan character using the weapon he "didn't have" (I remember checking and seeing that he had a full clip of rockets after the monitor holding the weapon died.)

All I can say is that the monitor holding the weapon just died how monitors die, except all of a sudden and in one "hit." I heard that explosion that is happens when a monitor dies, since they are machines. I don't know. It's weird.

-Lotus Leaf

Searching Blackout
Ok... I know this will make me sound like a noob... but up untill now i didn't buy the legendary map pack... and i did a few days ago... since i hadn't searched it for ghosts yet... i want to know if anyone has any tips on where to search and what to do? if you have any advice i would be glad to take it into consideration... And i also enjoy what my colleges in ghost hunting have to say about blackout or any other map...

Your FriendBacon11

Well, I don't think that you have to search in a specific place. It's all just random.

You can try overloading the map if you like, that could help. Basically, just lag the game as much as you can. I would also suggest that you do it on local play in forge. Major Nicmavr My Work My number of edits My talk |undefined 08:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I wouldn't hold my breath. Neither False nor True Ghosts are guaranteed to come through overloading. However, maybe recreating the Ghost of Lockout conditions may help increase the chances. Overloading the map increases the chances as well. A good way to lag is to make a bunch of the explosive scenery into one pile. Then, throw trip mines as desired. Detonate when ready. Unfortunately, this may crash your Xbox 360. If you're doing nothing important afterwards (such as standing still or doing nothing in the Ghost of Lockout video), then a ghost may appear to attack and move the game along. Keep us posted, I'd like to know what you find ! Both False and True Ghosts are interesting. Some False Ghosts are lethal

P.S. - I haven't gotten any of the map packs

-Lotus Leaf

Ghost in foundry? I was playing forge on foundry. My only two players quit. After the black screen went away, i looked at the warthog i was next to. there were bullets from an AR hitting it then a few snipes. It then caught on fire (not blowing up)Bold textI ran away, i got sniped. it sayed killed by guardians. then the warthog started driving at me (WTF?) Ghost?

It may have been a major system glich or both one player quit and the other one turned off the game that caused rampant false ghosts but, I have 3 questions, 1) did you see a guy, 2)where did the shots come from, 3)was there lag? I hope you can answer these questions and i might need spyder to a help me explain it because he knows more than me about ghosts of halo :p. P.S I hope you got it on tape to get it on youtube.

Its usually just random, but I heard some strange things happen around the cliffs of Avalanche, usually on the left side (facing the map).

I have a question
What about the fan names of the Ghosts? Or more mention of Baslisk on Sandtrap...well I suppose I'll copy what was said there tell me if any of it is useful, just tryin to help:

Hunter's note-The Ghost seems to be attracted to scout armor variants, i see no reason why it would be attracted to a specific armor type, but experimenting with armor shows more paranormal sightings with scout armor than my standard CQB and Hayabusa set. Also note, the Ghost seems to be attracted to the Elephants and downed phantom. For Rookies, you can can enhance your sensors to 150m by going to the motion sensors screen in the game options. This will help you locate "Phantom" radar blips better, specially on a large map like sandtrap. Use Vehicles for easy transportation,Mongooses work best, and don't change your speed and gravity settings, for some reason this makes the ghost go away.

After note-i have codenamed the ghost of sandtrap Basilisk, it is easier to say instead of ghost of sandtrap so... oh yeah. It is possible however unlikely that there are two ghosts on sandtrap, i have codenamed this second one(if there is on) Shadow, after the Elite Carrier ship Shadow of Intent.

Good Hunting out there! have aborted all searching in Sandtrap and moved Last resort. Happily i have discovered a ghost hear as well. He does not seem to be very...shy. I have affectionatley named him blade, due to his attraction to the nergy sword. I belieive this subject will be much easier to study, as he hasno problem getting up close and personal. He does seem to have active camo though, so i cannot be sure on his appearence, but hopefully he will help us. But we should still focus on the ghost of sandtrap, as he seems to be intelligent beyond all the others.

all noted guys, thanks for the info, babaloo, you just helped me prove my "basilisk" theory, the ghost has the power to kill anyone who looks right at them, and Me15, keep trying, the game adapts, once you see the ghost for a couple of times and will keep coming back more often.

I have noted that each of the three main ghosts we have encountered (or i have) has a certain agression level. Smash-Non-agressive, though i have spotted him much, he has never attacked me. He only goes after blade. Blade-Mild, i have been killed only 3 times and counting by blade. He seems to be shy. Basalisk-Extreme, one mean ghost. I have been killed over 15 times since first sightings. He is the only ghost so far to actually hunt a player. Any direct eye contact will result in imediate death. STAY AWAY AT ALL COSTS!

-- Hi I'm new here. I have seen ghosts in Halo 3 and Halo: Combat Evolved. The one in Halo: Combat Evolved seems to be a spartan in white armor. It seems to backstab people. It appears in hang 'em high and likes to walk around the things jutting out of the floor.

The one in Halo 3 is really creepy. I was in a game of 18 people in Valhalla and we all decided to do a kamikaze match in the middle of the map. Around a minute into the war five spartan laser shots hit the area and killed about 10 people. Around 4 more were immediately stuck with plasma grenades and exploded. I saw 4 white spartans in the normal MJONLIR armor and one black spartan in the Hayabusa (with katana) outfit. They all had spartan lasers and they killed another 2. The rest of us, including me, ran like crap and tried blasting rockets and lasers at the ghosts. My friend and I hit one white one with two rockets and stuck the black one with seven plasmas but he didn't die. I got into a ghost and was immediately hit by a spartan laser FROM THE FRONT. The ghosts were behind me. The others in the game all checked for signs but there were none, except five spartan lasers lying on the field the ghosts came in. They were definitely not players as they glided like they were on ice.

Also in Narrows there is one very meek ghost. It kept jumping on my head and trying to teabag me alive. I tried to shoot it but it doesn't work. It seems that the weapons wielded by ghosts have a homing ability. When I took one of the spartan lasers on the field and fired it, it hit an enemy BEHIND me. Spooky. Guardian messages came out. Yellow blips that flashed red. And the spartans landed VERTICALLY onto the battlefield. They didn't launch from the blue launchers. Theater mode revealed nothing. ---]

My clan's tech support chief checked to codes like three times for every map with ghost activity, it all checks out, Ghosts are in the programming. BUNGIE LEAKS GHOST INFORMATION:BUT NOT DIRECTLY!! It is believed that bungie made a statement that would lead people like my clan to believe that Blackout has the most paranormal activity to date. 2 hours into forge i was strangely killed, just died, i was in the middle trying to get a bridge straight. It is believed by my best Ghosthunters that the ghost of Blackout might be a enhanced copy of the Ghost of Lockout, there is only one, who never missed with his legendary Plasma grenades. He is probably in simple Mark VI Armor and is mos likely all white, keep in eye out for him -- Chipmonk329

if you havent heard that THERE IS NO PROOF OF TRUE GHOSTS IN HALO 3 but if you have proof show on youtube but I think you guys are just hoaxing or modding and spyder i bet thinks so also.

I Believe that There should be a considerable amount of proof... Without cheating, and using Mods. Any Ghost Sighting should be documented and taken seriously. Oh yeah... I will Search Sandtrap to find this Basilisk thing. I will be sure to report back if me or anyone in my Skilled Team of Ghost Hunters find anything. -Bacon11

'''I'm not so sure I can believe everything you're saying. If you and your clan have had so many encounters with ghosts, why hasn't anyone else? I myself have never seen a ghost, even a false ghost in all the time I've spent hunting. I don't think its a coincidence that you've been killed by ghosts probably over 20 times, yet I haven't seen one in all my time hunting.'''

'''I agree with what Bacon said, you should provide more proof. Until we see videos that prove there aren't any modding devices and evidence that the ghosts aren't fakes, this will not be taken as fact. And the anonyomous poster above bacon is right. There hasn't yet been any proof of True Ghosts sighted in Halo 3.'''

So if you want Blade, Shadow, and Basilisk to be documented as the first ever true ghosts of Halo 3 (which is a very anticipated title), than get some proof and show us.

Real or Not?
You guys may find this weird but ill give you my views. I was playing lockout on the Xbox360 (halo 2) and I was at the sniper tower. I was shooting my brother and a friend NOT ON XBOX LIVE- I AM NITHER CONNECTED NOR DISCONNECTED. I DONT HAVE IT. Any way there I am shooting away and this red blip appears on my motion tracker. I turn around and PRESTO a white master chief with an energy sword. He only killed us a few times but the rest of the time he was friendly. I WASN'T USING ANY MOD AND I WASN'T ON XBOX LIVE. Scared the bajesus outta me. He can teleport around the map too. It was very similar to the Underdogg & anti-noob video

Why don't people just email Bungie and ask them?

'''Do you have ANY videos or proof at all? If not, I don't know what the rest of us can think about this.'''

'''Also if you have no proof, experiment on that map again. Repeat your steps, you may have done something that game to trigger a ghost. Also, have a capturing device or a video camera ready.'''

A few ghost facts that need to be cleared up
'''I've noticed that there is quite a bit of misunderstanding concerning the ghosts of halo. I want to help clear up these misunderstandings, soI'm going to briefly go over everything that we know from these mysterious events..'''

'''First off, what is a ghost of Halo? Ghosts of Halo can be divided into three different groups: True ghosts, False ghosts, and Half ghosts. I won't go over Half Ghosts, since there isn't much controversy over them and they are explained in the article. False ghosts are probably the most common types of ghosts, and can be triggered through some of the following things:'''

-disk scratches -system glitches -minor network glitches (extremely minor, not common)

'''Since these ghost are triggered by these things, False ghosts may vary from one player to another, and there is no official way to trigger them (unless it is the network glitch type). Some examples of False ghosts include randomly spawning vehicles and equipment, random weapon fire, random death, and many other things that do not portray an actual ghost player, which brings us to True ghosts.'''

'''True ghosts are depicted as actual spartans (and maybe Elites, but this is unconfirmed) and roam random maps during gameplay, killing players for no known reason. It seems they have a mind of their own. There are many theories regarding there blood-thirsty nature, but I won't list them here. True ghosts have specific qualities that define them as True ghosts. They include:'''

-can only face the four compass directions (north, south, east, west) -are invincible; cannot be killed even from assassination hits -have no walking animations, slide across the ground -have auto-aiming and auto-sticking qualities

'''True ghosts cause much misunderstanding. There are a few things I'd like to clear up about them. First, what true ghosts do we know of? There is only one answer to that; the Ghost of Lockout. The original, the patriarch, the mother of all ghosts, the one that started it all. This infamous creature is the only true ghost we know of today. Many people still claim that there are True Ghosts in Halo 3. There very well could be, but, and I don't know how much I need to emphasize this, but...'''

THERE ARE NO OFFICIAL TRUE GHOSTS YET DOCUMENTED IN HALO 3

'''This is possibly due to the fact that people just don't provide enough proof, or they manage to create really good fakes. But please know, every video claiming true ghosts in halo 3 have been de-bunked. There aren't any yet discovered in the game. But another misunderstanding of the ghosts has to do with what triggers them, or what kind of glitch they're related to. For true ghosts, its usually a Network Glitch. Here are the glitches:'''

-Disk Glitch: <These glitches are always very minor, and can cause False ghosts. Disk glitches occur when a disk has a large scratch, or to many scratches, or just had a bad day in the factory. Disk glitches are unique to that disk only, and cannot be detected or triggered in other disks (unless the two disks had the same scratch or problem, which is very unlikely).>

-System Glitch: <These glitches are more serious and also cause False ghosts, but the ghosts are usually more lethal and apparent. When the insides of the system is messed up or, like the disk glitches, just had a bad day at the factory, system glitches can occur. And also like disk glitches, system glitches are unique to the system they belong to, although in some cases, systems can transmit glitches and problems to other systems via system linking. I guess you can think of it as Xbox STDs.>

-Network Glitch: <The last type of glitch, and the most major one. Network Gitches, or, big Bungie mess-ups, occur suring Xbox Live only, and are the only known sources of True ghosts (and Half ghosts). Multiple theories are made on exactly what happens during Network Glitches, but I won't list them.>

'''True ghosts are Network glitches. People for some reason tend to think that ghosts are, actual ghost A.I.s, and some people even think its like, magic or something, or a real ghost is playing as a ghost. I don't understand why people think this. I just need to make it clear that GHOSTS ARE GLITCHES, NOT REAL A.I. CHARACTERS.'''

So, I hope I cleared up some of the major misunderstandings. Thanks for helping this community grow, and don't give up on finding a ghost.

Those are some Really Good Points. And I hate to Repeat what my Friend Spydr has to say but please. Unless you have proof, don't post it. It just causes problems and, gets people excited over nothing. And please don't try and FAKE information. This is a Really Debatable topic, so please don't post any info unless you are ready to be questioned and criticized. And it just makes things hard on people without proof. and the people that fake things, just make people look stupid. Like the Guy in the post above about the basilisk thing. There is no proof, so there is no way of telling wheiter it is true or not. So Please save people the time and don't post any info that is Fake or Has no Proof. And Definately. Don't make a Post that big about something with no proof.

I Rest My Case, Thank you

- Your Fellow Ghost Hunter Bacon11

Im not saying this Is true (which it might not be) a true ghost appeared somewhere on a map that the other player/s might have seen it going sincerely Earthowl

I completely disagree that the ghost of lockout should be the definition for a true ghost. IT WAS A PERSON CONTROLLING THE GHOST! How would a person and with glitch justify being a ghost. That is the problem, everybody has their own definition of a ghost, which is what the original ghosts of halo page was all about, people posting their ghosts. It is like trying to put a solid definition on a god. It is impossible. People can only put down the definition that they belive, and as long as that holds true, their will be controversey. Your definiton of a ghost is one that a player controls during a network glitch. My definition is that it is a A.I. that goes through and kills people at random if it kills at all, programmed into the game by bungie. Until Bungie comments on the matter of what a ghost is, we can't put a solid definition on the word "Ghost." This would mean that every definition is correct until we have the ultimate creators, Bungie, tell us who is and isn't. Sitheris 18:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

'Actually, my'' definition of a ghost is a network glitch causing a player model to appear and function as an actual player. That is my definition of a True Ghost. And sorry, but I think that most people would agree that its the actual definition of a Halo ghost. That was it's definition when the Ghost of Lockout was first discovered wasn't it? Since the Ghost of Lockout can be called the "Original Ghost," then the definition used to describe it is the "Official Definition." And how do you know a player was controlling the Ghost of Lockout? This is proven incorrect, which is amazing, because it is so far the ONLY True Ghost sighting with proof. To make a player move and act like that, you need hacking, modding. As stated by AfRoSaUcE and AS SHOWN BY THE DATE OF THE VIDEO, it wasn't possible to mod over Xbox Live until a year after the video was taken. And guess what? They just so happened to be playing on Live.'''

'''And let me tell you something else, the old Ghosts of Halo article was completely ridiculous nonsense. People started coming up with obvious hoaxes, lies, and fakes, and posting them all over the article. Then other people will come and and get hyped up over a bunch of nonsense. What happens next? The people who read the article are so intrigued by all of these "ghost sightings" that they are too conscious of it in-game. They notice a small glitch, assume it is a ghost, and post it. Things I've seen are like this: "I was playn halo on my Xboxx an al of a sudden a power drain appeered infront of me and it just apeerd their an nobody through it at me." Its this kind of thing that totally changed the original definition of Ghost. There aren't multiple definitions to question, only one definition to believe ; )'''

Real or Not?= Continued
Well I have really no proof but its not like you can jump up and try to film it. You probaly think im a fake but I saw it hand on heart. My halo 2 disk could be possibly scratched. And it was the first time I played it on my xbox 360 instead of my old xbox.

I will continue to try and find the sly bugger again for those people out there. I have a list of things that was happening to the leadup to when it appeard:

-At the sniper tower (where anti noob was) -Shooting from hip with siniper rifle -Jumping crouching to dodge rocket fire/needler -Threw some grenades (mostly plasma) -3 active controllers, 1 4th ON but not being used

Then he appeared!!

-Chuked 5 grenades at once -Fitted description of the main article -Teleported around the map -Can kill even when hes not near you

Just another question, whenever a ghost spawns in my halo 3 a red dot appears on motion sensor. Is this natural?

Wondering if we should have a list of ghost sightings true and false? Should we include in main article?

Please sign your comments...

No, we don't need a section listing out ghost sightings. We've encountered problem with that issue a few months ago and most of them are pure nonsense. We only need those which made huge implication/significance for the Halo community. <font color="#0000FF">Little</tt> <font color="#0000FF">_</tt> <font color="#0090FF">Missy</tt> -  12:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

After a few months, I'm back!
'''Hey everybody, it's Spydr, the Ghostbuster, or also known as, "the guy that types completetly in bold." I'm glad to see that this place is still somewhat active in the few months that I have been gone. Its good to know that there are people out there who are intrigued by these ghosts like me.'''

'''The reason I've been gone for so long is probably just due to school, homework, and other things like that. I'm even busy on the weekends! I'll try to come on every once in awhile to maybe update the article or help answer people's questions about their ghostly encounters. I also hope to seem some familiar faces around here, just so I can feel more comfortable here like I used to.'''

Anyway, I'm back, and ready to learn more aout the ghosts of halo, and, do what I do best around here, defend the ghost fandom and ghost theories of Halo.

Welcome back my friend. I'm glad you are back online. The page and field of Ghosts haven't been the same without you. Nothing much has changed, since you left. Just people speculating theories with no background, as is. I have taken the next step to finding a ghost. I have officially joined a Ghost Hunting Clan for Halo. and I lead a small Sub-Team within the clan. We have been searching alot of maps since then.

Nothing really has came up. We found a few things on sandtrap. Such as the Falling mongoose thing. Just in areas other than the middle of the map. I have also seen something really odd fall in the map. And the video will come out soon. My Film studio that made the video now has an official website you can visit it at http://www.amazingpicturesstudios.wetpaint.com go ahead and give at a visit to see what i have been up to. And i hate to Repeat what Spydr said but. I Bacon11 (AKA: Guy who does alot of research) am once agian active on this site. School has gotten in the way as well... Keep on searching for the answers.

'So it seems you've found out more about the death mongooses, or as I like to call them, death angels'' of Sandtrap, nice job. Maybe you could inform me and the rest of the community on your findings, and what triggers this exactly. More research could be done on it, and it could lead to a great deal of things, such as all of the other strange reports on Sandtrap.'''

'''I will assure you, this will be posted on the article with more recognition, because it has been a while since something like this has been discovered. Nice work, keep up the research!'''

That is a good name for them. the Death angels of sandtrap. I shall use that term. it's shorter and easier to use than "Randomly falling objects." I'll release more info as soon as i review all the video and put it on youtube.

Still searching for answers. -Bacon11

Ghost of sandtrap
I know weve all been through the ghost of Sandtrap (Basalisk to some) but I think it deserves its own thing... and I just encountered it anyway. I know ull all go "no proof. Fake." and i didnt actualy see it, it was probably just a false ghost. I was doing the flying elephant trick and i got a ally blip on my montion tracker and i was playing alone. I donthavbox live and no one else was playing, I swear. anyway, i ignored it, then it happened again and then twice within 3 seconds, each time getting closer to me. then about 5 minutes later after trying (and failing) the flying elephant, it blips up again right behind me. when i turn around nothing there. Now im so to go bak on my xbox. I will see if i got it on thearte. If i did look at for it on utube. Speak to u soon -The Back Water Guy

'''We've had a lot of reports of ghosts like this on Sandtrap. I believe you a bit, just because this type of thing on Sandtrap is so common. The only problem is, we never really get proof, so this Sandtrap ghost is a tough one to confirm. However, if you manage to get some proof in theater, then I'm sure it will be taken into further question, there is just the problem of not knowing if there were any hacking devices or anything of the sort being used while you experienced this "ghost". I'm not accusing you of being a hacker, but you can never be too sure. If you want to make this a legitimate ghost sighting (one of the first in a while), then try getting the "ghost" to appear again, and have a camcorder or capture card or anything ready to show that there are no hacking devices or anything of that sort.'''

'''For some tips on getting the ghost to come back, try repeating the steps of the game you played when you encountered the ghost. Not the exact steps, but the key things you did. Repeat the flying elephant trick, glitches and things like this that aren't meant to happen are common triggers of ghosts. But that might not be it, you could have shot a specific thing in a specific spot, maybe even so specific as a single pixel, that triggered the ghost. It may be a little tough, but if it happened once than it may happen again.'''

'''Also, when you say the ghost of Sandtrap deserves its own thing, then I assume you mean it should have special recognition on the article like the Ghost of Lockout, right? If this is what you mean, then I'd be glad to give it special recognition on the article... if we had more information. If you managed to get some good information, it may appear up there.'''

'''And one last thing, when you're reviewing the video in theater, check in the sky above the areas that you notice the yellow blips. One user has discovered something similar on Sandtrap, where "death mongooses" spawn in the air above where a player is, or was, standing. Then they fall when the player walks under them.'''

Good luck ghost hunting!

Ghost Huting Groups
I have my own group for ghost huntingGhost BustersZ66. We are one of the largest ones out there. If you have any let me know we could possibly merge. ~JUICEHEAD3311

I'm already a member. It is a fun thing to join. You get to hunt ghosts. and search for the truth. Bacon11

I made my own group with a bunch of friends. There is only four of us and we call ourselves the Amerture Ghost Hunters. When we do videos, they are us video taping of the tv. We do not have XBL, but we have had a few encounters. Look up the page in the subject titled ghost problems to read some of the things we have seen.

-MadgunnerMystery

'''I would like to ghost hunt with your group sometimes, but I would not join your group permanently. I like to ghost hunt with different groups every time I play, and be part of every group. I like the term kind of like a guest star. =P      But I would like to ghost hunt with you guys sometimes, I would enjoy it.'''

Sandtrap Encounter: Glitch or Ghost?
I was playing a forged sandtrap variant wich i have named ghostbusters just for fun.I overloaded the map with tripmines. (tossing them in a pile until they explode)And just after that my mum called me into the kithen to eat.Then when i was back i heard sounds like a warthog exploding.I took a hornet and flew into the sky and looked around.In the middle of the map it was thins like warthogs, assault rifels ,missile pods ,"BR"s and mongooses falling down all the time.They spawned in the air over and over until i got close to the fall and then it wented really laggy and suddenly was hit by a spartan laser in the front then my hard drive almost crashed as my xbox 360 really smoked of all the tings on screen to load!!!I imidiatly shuted down my 360. And when i started it again all my music and game pics was gone!!All picks and music re appeared one day after.Also i got red ring of death but it dissapeard with the pics coming back

WAS IT A FALSE GHOST THAT OVERLOADED THE HARD DRIVE OR JUST A BIG GLITCH?

SPARTAN 456

Hmm... Maybe Spartan's xbox overheated. Do you think an overheated xbox could cause a sighting? Because when my xbox starts to run hot it tends to lag. -Bacon11

Now after some days my XBOX 360 is almost as it where before the "ghost".But it tends to lag very much,for example i like to fight Hunters alot so on the ark i often kill the ODSTs and plays with the Hunters.Yester day i hided for the Hunters behind a rock and they stood and meleed on the other side of the rock trying to reach me,Then when i knew i where out of harms way i started to talk wth a freind on the phone for a while then when i returnd i went to the hunters side of the rock and the game freezed for some seconds and then after the freeze i killed the hunters.Later when i was testing a forged map of guardian every time i turned fast around saw the faint move of a Hunter meleeing at me (the hunter was very very faint, the first time i saw it i thought i was the shadow of my cat moving behind me)This is just a glith i now!But its pretty cool to se a Hunter every time you turns around!But i think all ghosts are glitches ,So this hunter is a ghost in my opinion.

SPARTAN 456

'''Sounds like the Xbox overheated. Overheating is one of the most common reasons of ghost sightings (usually false) or strange things happening. I think SPARTAN ran into the Death Angels, which is a very educated guess. First of all, he overloaded the map, which is what you (Bacon11) did to encounter the ghost. Then, random objects, mostly vehicles it seems began to fall, and they fell whenever he approached them. I did find something interesting out of this, too. In real life, ghosts, whether they are real or not, are portrayed as "scary" or sometimes "dangerous". Ghosts in Halo are "fun" and "interesting". But with all of these overheating encounters (which is the most common source of ghost sightings), we can say that the ghosts of Halo are "scary" or "dangerous" as well. They come mostly by overheating, and overheating is bad for your console. Seeing a ghost marked that is considered dangerous, can probably ruin your system.'''

So basically, we do have something to fear when seeing the ghosts of Halo.

GHOST OF VALLHALA
I NEED HELP finding the ghost of vallhala ive overloaded the map and i dont have live how do i get it to come???

'''Well, we don't really know if there is a ghost of Valhalla or not, there have been some sightings in the past, but none of them can be labeled true, so we really aren't sure how to get it to come, if there is one. If you wanted, however, you can search the map, overload in different areas, or just overload using a different method. You could discover something, just remember the proof.'''

'''And if you want to see a ghost, try overloading Sandtrap. Recently, a ghost has been confirmed to be on Sandtrap, and you get it to appear by overloading the map. But keep in mind it is a False Ghost in the form of falling vehicles, not a True Ghost.'''

Perhaps you can do as spydr says but before you overload the map you can let the 360 stand on for a while wich makes it more glitchy when you overload it then try to not kill each other if you are driving more than one just hang around some well fortified place if you want to survive.This is not official fact its just what i do when i have nothing else to do,And this almost always grants me with a false ghost.

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