Halo Alpha talk:Chat

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Halo Nation Chat Moderators are elected by the Administration to govern the people in the chat. Hence, on this talk page, if one feels that another user is worthy of the power of impartially and seriously governing the chat in the absence of other figures of authority, one may consider nominating another for the role of Chat Moderator, in a style demonstrated below. Also, if a user feels that a user is acting in a manner demanding his removal from the Chat Moderation team, consider placing the user up to be 'sacked' using the same style:

===[[User:USERNAME|USERNAME]]===
*'''Nominator:''' 
*'''Reason for nomination:'''
*'''Date of nomination:'''

====For (# of votes/# of Administrator votes)====
{{Support}} 

====Against (# of votes/# of Administrator votes)====
{{Oppose}}

====Comments====

To gain Chat Moderation privileges on Halo Nation, the Administration will decide whether or not the candidate receives the rights. The nomination will last up to two weeks with a minimum of one week. During this time, users are encouraged to speak their mind in a civil and thoughtful manner at the comments section while the Admins reveal their decision, either supporting or opposing the nomination.

A majority of supports over opposes means an approval, and the user will be granted the privileges as promised. If the number of opposes is greater, then the candidate will be declined the right to moderate and can not be nominated again for a reasonable amount of time. Furthermore, if there are at least either four supports or four opposes after a week, the decision will be made early. In the event of a stalemate, the ruling shall be considered a decline. These regulations also applies to demotion requests.

Request for Chat Moderation rights

XXSpartan 135Xx (approved)

• Nominator: Лорд-Эдвард-Гром-брюки
• Reason for nomination: We need a late night early morning moderator.
• Date of nomination: April 24, 2012

For (2)

1. Support - It's true that Ace is active when the current Moderators are asleep or offline. Of all the users in that time period, he's the best candidate. https://i.imgur.com/skKwEi8.pngUltra Force^{Talk • Contributions}  
2. Support - As per Ultra's statement. Karl-591 ^{(Talk) (Contribs)}

Comments

Id say ace is an awesome candidate he's always there when no other chat mods are n he nows how handle certian situations CWB

GO ACE! Be a good chat mod x3 --IShadowX 15:58, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

As per my Nomination and he's an overall achiever. Can get anything done in a short time and earned his respect.Sierra One Two User:Лорд-Эдвард-Гром-брюки 00:55, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Support - well i heard i could vote for myself, but anyway. yes i am always on whenever the other chat mods are not due to my different timezone. XXSpartan 135Xx ^{(Talk) (Contribs) (Edits)}

You heard wrong. https://i.imgur.com/skKwEi8.pngUltra Force^{Talk • Contributions}  

Low Support - We have WAAY to much mods, but he could be a good mod. Fluttershy (Talk) (Contribs) (Edits)

Support He is awake when most or all of the mods are asleep. Dmatman 864 03:48, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Strong Support - Although we have too many moderators at the moment, Ace is online when most moderators are offline, and that is essential to the chat.

 ^talk

I know ace,he fits the qualifications for the job and i know he'll do a excelant job -Marquis-B589

Neutral I am not entirely convinced we need more mods, even during his timezone where chat is mostly dead. Sgt D Grif 04:17, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Requests for removal of Chat Moderation rights

Novabomb1 (approved)

• Nominator: Ultra Force
• Reason for nomination: Hasn't been seen since given Moderation rights.
• Date of nomination: April 25th, 2012

For (1)

1. Support - As per my nomination. https://i.imgur.com/skKwEi8.pngUltra Force^{Talk • Contributions}  

Comments

Support - I'm sure that he would be a good mod if he still went on chat. As per nomination.

 ^talk

Support - As per nomination. Pinkie Pie http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp9/haloreplicas/IconSIG1.png ^{(Talk) (Contribs)}

Support As per nomination,..  Bravado ^Talk

Support As per Ultra. Fluttershy (Talk) (Contribs) (Edits)

Support- I wish i was on. But I broke the modem at home so i'm screwed until then. >.< WTFH?!?! There i did it. 15:33, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Support The nominee agrees with the ruling, and I agree with the nomination as well. Sgt D Grif 04:12, May 6, 2012 (UTC) Support As per myself. --Sierra One Two User:Лорд-Эдвард-Гром-брюки 15:30, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Blue The Timber Wolf (Declined)

• Nominator: TheUknownHorseman
• Reason for nomination: In recent weeks it has become increasingly obvious that not only does he not have anywhere near the current requirment of edits to be a chat mod (Which regardless of time of promotion, he still needs to keep up with the current standards) but he also uses his chat mod rights for personal attacks and to get rid of people he has personal grudges on, even after he has baited them into arguments. He is far too immature and far too lacking in the current prerequisites of becoming a mod. Therefore I hereby request that he be demoted from chat mod until he has met the current standards and has matured. His personal feelings about somebody should not be getting in the way of his better judgement.
• Date of nomination: May 5, 2012

Against (2)

Oppose - Could he be a better cmod? Maybe. But it doesn't seem that bad to me. Plus you aren't what exactly I would consider a good judge of maturity. -Karl-591 ^{(Talk) (Contribs)}

Oppose - I must admit my personal opinion on the matter is fundamentally biased; however, commenting as an impartial and responsible Bureaucrat, I find myself against this measure; but I must justify how my logical reasoning outweighs my personal bias. Well, for starters: TUH, you did break the rules by calling Blue corrupt, and he did give warnings - perhaps somewhat out of turn, but his conduct was following what I would do in the same situation: warn and ban. As I recall, I did tell both TUH and Blue to stop; and it was TUH who violated my Administrative Order to cease and desist discussion on the topic. As such, TUH, you sorta shot yourself in the foot there, because you baited him into banning him. Just handling that part of it first. Next, I must note that Blue was given his CM rights just prior to the new rules regarding CM nomination; as such, his Chat Moderatorship is upheld. As for maturity; well, can't we all be immature at times? At worst, Blue's conduct may result in an Administrative censure: but there have been more scandalous bannings on Chat than this. I think he deserves a second chance if anything; after all, wasn't TUH awarded a second chance? My personal opinion is that much of this is caused by the (still) lax banning policy we have for the Chat. This needs amendment, and this issue will help bring it about.
-Leo Fox (My bark is probably bigger than my bite) 08:20, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

Oppose - I second the above statement. You attacked me personally, simply because you put yourself in a bad situation. I banned you for around four personal attacks and claiming Leo Fox, corrupt. All of which are ban-worthy. You obviously do not know what you are talking about. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavor. ;) Blue The Timber Wolf 00:59, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

(Reply to Karl's post) Actually Karl the current edit requirement is 50 articles and 50 blog/comments. As I was previously told when I inquiered about what I needed to do to become a chat mod. TheUknownHorseman 00:53, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Then whomever told you that did not know of what they spoke. The edit requirement was only for voting under the old cmod election system. Karl-591 ^{(Talk) (Contribs)}

(Reply to Blue's Post) I never said Leo was corrupt, only you. I did however say you wiggled your way into your postion. TheUknownHorseman 01:02, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Support - I am hearing two sides of the story, as well as some from Leo. Ariel and Leo's claim seems a bit more...accurate then Blue's. Although I am friends with everyone here. I would like to state my opinion that I support this. Berry Punch http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp9/haloreplicas/BerryPunch.png ^(Contribs) 01:01, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Support I of course support this, not only for the personal attacks he has made against me, but also against many other people. Blue is far too imature for his postion -TheUknownHorseman

Support I support this he talks trash behind peoples back he has talked trash on quite a few occasions about Ariel and has kicked her without any official ground to be kicked only on personal grounds has he kicked Ariel from chat, and on that note that is the reason I support the removal of Blue's status as a mod.KPA Soldier2027 01:13, May 6, 2012 (UTC)KPA Soldier2027

Oppose i think blue is doing a good job i dont think he should be demoted SheerAvenger777 BAM, SAID THE LADY 01:24, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Support I supposrt this wholeheartedly as from what I have seen he often uses his powers for his own personal vendettas by kicking and banning whether or not there was sufficient cause, because he simpily did not like the person. NightRavenGSA 01:18, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Support - I'm sorry Blue, but I really do think that being a mod requires responsibility and maturity. Fluttershy (Talk) (Contribs) (Edits)

Neutral While I do agree Blue has made some poor choices as a moderator, he has also dealt with many problems in chat. While I do not wish for him to be demoted, I cannot with good consciousness oppose the points brought up. Sgt D Grif 04:09, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Support I was asked to weigh in on this matter. As many wikis can tell you, I've been running a social experiment where I join different wiki chat rooms and take note of what sort of social community is currently present at said wikis. The moment I stepped in, I was called both a noob and a newfag by Blue, and I was constantly harrassed as being a troll and lurker during my stay in chat. If you truly need them, I do log every chat encounter, and I would be happy to provide a couple screenshot examples if they are indeed needed for this hearing. I personally don't think Blue needs these rights though, and it's quite obvious he made chat moderator because he had befriended someone here. (Still relatively new and with an extremely low edit count.) If anyone need me to expand my thoughts further, please leave me a message on my home wiki. (Nukapedia - The Fallout Wiki.) File:Dragon.jpg ^Skål! 13:55, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose i think blue is doing a good job i dont think he should be demoted SheerAvenger777 BAM, SAID THE LADY 01:24, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral He did make a lot of bad decisions in the chat, but Ariel did insult him many times and he gave warnings, so it's not his fault that he had to bann ariel, since she ignored the warnings. And, I think that yeah, he has been insulting people who are new and I can't really think if he should keep the rights after what he did to these users. Dmatman 864 03:01, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Blue The Timber Wolf, Evodvi and LunaSword

• Nominator: Nicmavr
• Date of nomination: May 17th, 2012
• Reason for nomination: Been observing these users over the past few days, and increasingly noticed signs of immaturity, power-abuse and unnecessary threats. Below are screenshots from this evening's chat session, where I was literally "silenced" and threatened with a ban for no reason. Subtank was also subjected to such threats, and despite warnings from Vidmas7er, they continued with their shenanigans.

Behaviour which is completely unacceptable for moderators. All 3 of these users are evidently not yet mature enough or ready to handle the role. Please get them out and replace them with new ones.

Regards,

- Nìcmávr ^(Tálk) 23:19, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Support (3)

Support - Per the nomination. Rarity ^{(Talk) (Contribs) (Edits)} 00:31, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Support - I really don't want to upset those 3 users like this but supporting this nomination is the right step forward. The way they're Moderating the chat is unacceptable. https://i.imgur.com/skKwEi8.pngUltra Force^{Talk • Contributions}  

Support - After seeing the screenshots I am convinced such a task is not to be trusted to these users as of now.

Support — As per above. Their conduct is completely unbecoming of the maturity and responsibility we expect of all staff members, especially moderators. Grizzlei ♥ ツ

Neutral (1)

Neutral - Due to conflicts of interest in this matter, I hereby must recuse myself from this for this vote. -Leo Fox (My bark is probably bigger than my bite) 01:30, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Against (1)

Oppose As per Circulating Peace, it is what everyone else does in chat, just joking around and having fun. Sniper ^{(Talk) (Contribs) (Edits)} 01:41, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

So you're basically saying "Breaking the rules is fine, as long as we all do it"? Sorry, but you're really making no sense. - Nìcmávr ^(Tálk) 09:46, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

Extremely Strong -I concur, that conduct is clearly unnacceptable. Regards,--Spartacus ^{Contributions} 23:28, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Support For the good of the wiki i support this with a heavy heart SheerAvenger777 BAM, SAID THE LADY 23:40, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Support - From what I have seen, I must support this.

 ^talk

Support - As per my reasons above. - Nìcmávr ^(Tálk) 23:35, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Honestly this constantly happening in the chat has gotten quite annoying and is in my opinion unacceptable. And despite my positive feelings toward these individuals, I sadly agree with this proposal. Sgt D Grif 02:38, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Support - After seeing the "proof", I clearly thought it was unacceptable, and, not trying to make Blue, Evo, and Luna mad, I must support this. Fluttershy (Talk) (Contribs) (Edits)

Oppose -- While opposing for myself is normally not done I believe that we should not be demoted. Much of the other mods do the same thing so are you going to demote them as well? We did not LITERALLY silence you and a user cannot actually tell a moderator what to do. Also Luna and Blue were voicing their opinion against you wanting to change this wikia. Now as for I your so called "proof" does not quite show me doing anything that wrong now does it? Oh and 3 demotions would you not need 3 seperate votes or perhaps 30 votes to make us demoted? Derpy Hooves http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp9/haloreplicas/DERP.png ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 22:00, May 16, 2012 (EST)

Oppose I think we are fine as is. Although this should be avoided in the future. Everyone makes mistakes --Sgt Stacker117 02:18, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose I can't oppose nor agree with this with a clear conscience, but I will say that although I agree their behavior was rather unnacceptable, its been ongoing for months and few of us cared, so I can't condemn them for it. This is the fault of all of us, not just these three, since we failed to nip it in the bud when it first started.Still, I strongly believe that punishment should be dealt on an individual basis, not just because the three were collaborating, but because there are apparently different levels of involvement, and as such, it is unethical and unprofessional to merely punish all three due to ease of doing that compared to individually reviewing their actions. A.J. 02:02, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose After reading Nicmavr's 'evidence' I didn't really see a problem with these three. Everything I saw that they said on chat was everything I see from everyone else on chat. And they are all just joking around and having fun with each other. They also weren't breaking any of the wiki's rules or policies, so I see no harm here at all. -Circulating Peace    1200 hours-May 17, 2012: Planet Earth

Oppose As per per Sniper. We all (majority) use the chat for a good time and to fuck around with eachother. Nicmanvr obviously hasn't been here to see the whole chats behavior, we all act as such. (Usually.) ~Luna~ 01:49, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

And this consistency with being rude, disrespectful, and immature towards your fellow members allows you to believe that its an offense in which a norm is established making it okay to do? Having fun and joking around with others is all well and good, but being an ass to others and abusing your rights as a Moderator is far from that. The fact that you believe otherwise is further evidence towards you not being fit for responsibility. Grizzlei ♥ ツ

Luna, I've been a member for almost 4 years, far longer than you, and I've served as an admin for nearly 3 of them. The policies here in theory haven't changed since Halopedia's migration, so I think that's enough to say that I know a lot more about it than you. - Nìcmávr ^(Tálk) 09:46, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

Blue is the wolfiest mod we've ever had (get it? Because he's a wolf? Aw, nevermind...)! -Sioneigh 18:52, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

i think it should stay as is. ~~ Helenna A-114~~

How many votes are needed now that us commoners cannot vote? - evodvi 14:01 May 18, 2012 (EST)

Am I not allowed to vote or something? -C.P 0244 hours-May 18, 2012: Planet Earth

I believe GRIZZLEI should've left her writing in the comments because she didn't oppose nor support this matter. Same with Nicmavr's response to Luna. If you have any responses or comments leave it in the comments. DUH!!! -C.P 0247 hours-May 18, 2012: Planet Earth

Nic, first. It doesn't matter if you have four years experience or your an Admin, whatever. You may have Halo Nation knowlege, but you don't have Halo Nation Chat knowlege. In my terms, that's what counts. I have not once seen you on chat before all this started. And also, who cares about who has what and who's better then him or her? Chat should just be used to CHAT, as it is implied, and do we really need all these moderators? We don't need ten when one can fit the deal. Just stop trying to change HN, we were fine well before you tried to change us. ~Luna~ 08:42, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Really? Newsflash for you; I've also been a chat op for Halopedia/Halo Nation for 3 years, which I think is more than enough time to prove I know about the Chat/IRC. Additionally, I think it does matter that I've been here for 4 years; there's quite a significant difference knowledge-wise between someone who's been a member for 4 years and someone who's been a member for a few months. Chat is a feature which was recently enabled, hence why I only started using it myself. Before that, we had IRC (and we still do); but the conduct policies are the same. Yeah, Chat is for chatting, but that's not what you were doing; you were blatantly abusing your op rights along with your buddies. And just like you said, there is no need to get any more moderators, I didn't suggest that you should necessarily be replaced, just demoted. The only thing I'm trying to "change" on here is to smash the corruption that this wiki is facing ever since staff members like yourself were appointed to govern this wiki/chat. And right back at you, *we* (as in, the community members that came before you) were fine before you came along and acquired op rights without the necessary maturity. Of course, you and your friends are obviously going to oppose this, simply out of bias and not actually taking the chat policies seriously. What you fail to realize is that being an op doesn't equal being able to do whatever you want. There are rules and policies which ops are also required to follow. If you're not willing to do so, then you're not worthy of handling the rights, simple as that. - Nìcmávr ^(Tálk) 10:38, May 19, 2012 (UTC)