Halo Alpha talk:Chat

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Halo Nation Chat Moderators are elected by the Administration to govern the people in the chat. Hence, on this talk page, if one feels that another user is worthy of the power of impartially and seriously governing the chat in the absence of other figures of authority, one may consider nominating another for the role of Chat Moderator, in a style demonstrated below. Also, if a user feels that a user is acting in a manner demanding his removal from the Chat Moderation team, consider placing the user up to be 'sacked' using the same style:

===[[User:USERNAME|USERNAME]]===
*'''Nominator:''' 
*'''Reason for nomination:'''
*'''Date of nomination:'''

====For (# of votes/# of Administrator votes)====
{{Support}} 

====Against (# of votes/# of Administrator votes)====
{{Oppose}}

====Comments====

To gain Chat Moderation privileges on Halo Nation, the Administration will decide whether or not the candidate receives the rights. The nomination will last up to two weeks with a minimum of one week. During this time, users are encouraged to speak their mind in a civil and thoughtful manner at the comments section while the Admins reveal their decision, either supporting or opposing the nomination.

A majority of supports over opposes means an approval, and the user will be granted the privileges as promised. If the number of opposes is greater, then the candidate will be declined the right to moderate and can not be nominated again for a reasonable amount of time. Furthermore, if there are at least either four supports or four opposes after a week, the decision will be made early. In the event of a stalemate, the ruling shall be considered a decline. These regulations also applies to demotion requests.

Request for Chat Moderation rights

Circulating Peace

• Nominator: Circulating Peace
• Date of Nomination: May 22nd, 2012
• Reason for Nomination: I've been on Halo Nation since January 2012 and have learned a lot since then. I've edited things from small mistakes to making a page, and I've been on chat ever since I joined. So I have experience in chat. I think I'm ready to jump in and take the next step in Halo Nation, and I believe the next step is becoming a chat moderator. I think I am ready to take that responsibility. But do you think I am. Share your comment, Support me, or Oppose me. If I do become a chat moderator I will use it responsibly, respectfully, patiently, maturely, kindly, and wisely.

Requests for removal of Chat Moderation rights

Blue The Timber Wolf, Evodvi and LunaSword

• Nominator: Nicmavr
• Date of nomination: May 17th, 2012
• Reason for nomination: Been observing these users over the past few days, and increasingly noticed signs of immaturity, power-abuse and unnecessary threats. Below are screenshots from this evening's chat session, where I was literally "silenced" and threatened with a ban for no reason. Subtank was also subjected to such threats, and despite warnings from Vidmas7er, they continued with their shenanigans.

Behaviour which is completely unacceptable for moderators. All 3 of these users are evidently not yet mature enough or ready to handle the role. Please get them out and replace them with new ones.

Regards,

- Nìcmávr ^(Tálk) 23:19, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Support (3)

Support - After seeing the screenshots I am convinced such a task is not to be trusted to these users as of now.

Support — As per above. Their conduct is completely unbecoming of the maturity and responsibility we expect of all staff members, especially moderators. Grizzlei ♥ ツ

Support - After witnessing an intriguing event today involving Sheer, Cel, Circulating Peace, Ascendant Justice, and several others, I must agree with Marissa and the other supporters of this nomination. These Moderation habits are unacceptable. https://i.imgur.com/skKwEi8.pngUltra Force^{Talk • Contributions}  

Support - Per the nomination. Rarity ^{(Talk) (Contribs) (Edits)} 00:31, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Support - I really don't want to upset those 3 users like this but supporting this nomination is the right step forward. The way they're Moderating the chat is unacceptable. https://i.imgur.com/skKwEi8.pngUltra Force^{Talk • Contributions}  

Neutral (1)

Neutral - Due to conflicts of interest in this matter, I hereby must recuse myself from this for this vote. -Leo Fox (My bark is probably bigger than my bite) 01:30, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Against (1)

Oppose As per Circulating Peace, it is what everyone else does in chat, just joking around and having fun. Sniper ^{(Talk) (Contribs) (Edits)} 01:41, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

So you're basically saying "Breaking the rules is fine, as long as we all do it"? Sorry, but you're really making no sense. - Nìcmávr ^(Tálk) 09:46, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

Extremely Strong -I concur, that conduct is clearly unnacceptable. Regards,--Spartacus ^{Contributions} 23:28, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Support For the good of the wiki i support this with a heavy heart SheerAvenger777 BAM, SAID THE LADY 23:40, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Support - From what I have seen, I must support this.

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Support - As per my reasons above. - Nìcmávr ^(Tálk) 23:35, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Honestly this constantly happening in the chat has gotten quite annoying and is in my opinion unacceptable. And despite my positive feelings toward these individuals, I sadly agree with this proposal. Sgt D Grif 02:38, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Support - After seeing the "proof", I clearly thought it was unacceptable, and, not trying to make Blue, Evo, and Luna mad, I must support this. Fluttershy (Talk) (Contribs) (Edits)

Support - This is similar to how I got banned from chat without breaking any rules. Norion3 18:58, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral I now stand Neutral because I cannot decide whether or not these three should be demoted or not. I have my own reasons. And I don't think my vote matters anyway. -Circulating Peace 1706 hours-May 19, 2012: Planet Earth

Oppose -- While opposing for myself is normally not done I believe that we should not be demoted. Much of the other mods do the same thing so are you going to demote them as well? We did not LITERALLY silence you and a user cannot actually tell a moderator what to do. Also Luna and Blue were voicing their opinion against you wanting to change this wikia. Now as for I your so called "proof" does not quite show me doing anything that wrong now does it? Oh and 3 demotions would you not need 3 seperate votes or perhaps 30 votes to make us demoted? Derpy Hooves http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp9/haloreplicas/DERP.png ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 22:00, May 16, 2012 (EST)

Oppose I think we are fine as is. Although this should be avoided in the future. Everyone makes mistakes --Sgt Stacker117 02:18, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose I can't oppose nor agree with this with a clear conscience, but I will say that although I agree their behavior was rather unnacceptable, its been ongoing for months and few of us cared, so I can't condemn them for it. This is the fault of all of us, not just these three, since we failed to nip it in the bud when it first started.Still, I strongly believe that punishment should be dealt on an individual basis, not just because the three were collaborating, but because there are apparently different levels of involvement, and as such, it is unethical and unprofessional to merely punish all three due to ease of doing that compared to individually reviewing their actions. A.J. 02:02, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose After reading Nicmavr's 'evidence' I didn't really see a problem with these three. Everything I saw that they said on chat was everything I see from everyone else on chat. And they are all just joking around and having fun with each other. They also weren't breaking any of the wiki's rules or policies, so I see no harm here at all. -Circulating Peace    1200 hours-May 17, 2012: Planet Earth

Oppose As per per Sniper. We all (majority) use the chat for a good time and to fuck around with eachother. Nicmanvr obviously hasn't been here to see the whole chats behavior, we all act as such. (Usually.) ~Luna~ 01:49, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

And this consistency with being rude, disrespectful, and immature towards your fellow members allows you to believe that its an offense in which a norm is established making it okay to do? Having fun and joking around with others is all well and good, but being an ass to others and abusing your rights as a Moderator is far from that. The fact that you believe otherwise is further evidence towards you not being fit for responsibility. Grizzlei ♥ ツ

Luna, I've been a member for almost 4 years, far longer than you, and I've served as an admin for nearly 3 of them. The policies here in theory haven't changed since Halopedia's migration, so I think that's enough to say that I know a lot more about it than you. - Nìcmávr ^(Tálk) 09:46, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

DS2117

• Nominator: Blue The Timber Wolf.
• Date of nomination: May 23, 2012.
• Reason for nomination: She is rarely here, I've seen her here twice in my 5 months (give or take a few days/weeks) of being here. Hence, I cannot, at the same time, judge how well of a job (chat-moderating) she does... But I think we need more room for Chat Moderators who will be able to actually be on chat and solve the chat's problems. Blue The Timber Wolf 04:18, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Support (1-ish)

Low Support - DS seems like a decent enough Chat Mod when she's around. If she shows up with more frequency, I would have no problem withdrawing this vote. Karl-591 ^{(Talk) (Contribs)}

CelestiaOfEquestria (pending)

Nominator: SheerAvenger777
Date of nomination: May 21st 2012
Reason for nomination: the user has been posting sexual content on the wiki witch volates wikis rule Sexual content is prohibited the user has shown he can not handle his rights and they should be taken away from this user below are some screenshots i took of the insadent

Support (3)

Strong support - Not to mention the countless times he has spammed, the racial remarks, the consistent abuse of the "kick" feature ever since Wikia updated the chat, and the sexual roleplay.
https://i.imgur.com/skKwEi8.pngUltra Force^{Talk • Contributions}  

Support - I don't think anyone will question this is not only a HUGE disregard of the rules, also illegal to show pornographic images to minors. Also a ban is in place.
Wilc0 ^{"When in doubt, flee."} _{Why doesn't anyone want to talk to me?}

Just because you don't think anyone will question this does not mean you may disregard procedure and expedite the whole affair. Karl-591 ^{(Talk) (Contribs)}

Support — User in question has been troubled since his induction into Halo Nation's Staff. And despite many chances to redeem himself in becoming a responsible, trustworthy, and mature Moderator, it is clear yet again that his privileges were given prematurely. Grizzlei ♥ ツ

Oppose (1)

Oppose - While I do have a vested interest in this, I oppose this because of the misconduct in how this nomination has been handled. - Karl-591 ^{(Talk) (Contribs)}

You may oppose the quickened pass of the nomination but give me a reason why Cel shouldn't be demoted for his actions otherwise I'm afraid your opposition will be invalid. We're deciding whether he's fit to be a Mod (clearly, he doesn't), not a "misconduct" of this nomination. Therefore, your current reason doesn't count. https://i.imgur.com/skKwEi8.pngUltra Force^{Talk • Contributions}  

'Quickened'? This was done in a day. -Leo Fox (My bark is probably bigger than my bite) 06:49, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Your point? Whatever, we'll follow usual procedures. Now, can we actually focus on supporting or opposing Cel's nomination and not a misconduct? I don't care if that bothered you, all that matters is whether anyone against this nomination explains why besides being purely biased.
https://i.imgur.com/skKwEi8.pngUltra Force^{Talk • Contributions}  

Comments

Due to mishandling and speedily handled demotion of this CM, I hereby invalidated and rollback the ruling. As per the legal rule of Double Jeopardy, the said user has been already tried as per Sheer's remark and cannot be tried again for the offenses listed. -Leo Fox (My bark is probably bigger than my bite) 06:49, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

This is clearly another policy that needs reviewing. After seeing the images in question, I'm siding with Wilc0 and Ultra Force on this one, COE's conduct was unquestionably unacceptable even if he did not hold mod rights. If anything, Wilc0's speedy act was the correct path to take given the severity of the situation. There is no reason whatsoever to make this demotion request invalid because of the way it was handled; the point stands that the accused user violated the chat policy and should be dealt with in a fair manner. Frankly, if it was some other random user, I know well enough all of you would be rushing to get them banned without question. Bias is purely the only thing that's making these demotion requests slack. - Nìcmávr ^(Tálk) 14:55, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

Blue is the wolfiest mod we've ever had (get it? Because he's a wolf? Aw, nevermind...)! -Sioneigh 18:52, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

i think it should stay as is. ~~ Helenna A-114~~

How many votes are needed now that us commoners cannot vote? - evodvi 14:01 May 18, 2012 (EST)

Am I not allowed to vote or something? -C.P 0244 hours-May 18, 2012: Planet Earth

I believe GRIZZLEI should've left her writing in the comments because she didn't oppose nor support this matter. Same with Nicmavr's response to Luna. If you have any responses or comments leave it in the comments. DUH!!! -C.P 0247 hours-May 18, 2012: Planet Earth

Nic, first. It doesn't matter if you have four years experience or your an Admin, whatever. You may have Halo Nation knowlege, but you don't have Halo Nation Chat knowlege. In my terms, that's what counts. I have not once seen you on chat before all this started. And also, who cares about who has what and who's better then him or her? Chat should just be used to CHAT, as it is implied, and do we really need all these moderators? We don't need ten when one can fit the deal. Just stop trying to change HN, we were fine well before you tried to change us. ~Luna~ 08:42, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Really? Newsflash for you; I've also been a chat op for Halopedia/Halo Nation for 3 years, which I think is more than enough time to prove I know about the Chat/IRC. Additionally, I think it does matter that I've been here for 4 years; there's quite a significant difference knowledge-wise between someone who's been a member for 4 years and someone who's been a member for a few months. Chat is a feature which was recently enabled, hence why I only started using it myself. Before that, we had IRC (and we still do); but the conduct policies are the same. Yeah, Chat is for chatting, but that's not what you were doing; you were blatantly abusing your op rights along with your buddies. And just like you said, there is no need to get any more moderators, I didn't suggest that you should necessarily be replaced, just demoted. The only thing I'm trying to "change" on here is to smash the corruption that this wiki is facing ever since staff members like yourself were appointed to govern this wiki/chat. And right back at you, *we* (as in, the community members that came before you) were fine before you came along and acquired op rights without the necessary maturity. Of course, you and your friends are obviously going to oppose this, simply out of bias and not actually taking the chat policies seriously. What you fail to realize is that being an op doesn't equal being able to do whatever you want. There are rules and policies which ops are also required to follow. If you're not willing to do so, then you're not worthy of handling the rights, simple as that. - Nìcmávr ^(Tálk) 10:38, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Why hello you just broke rule 10 stating we are corrupt. - evodvi 15:31 may 19, 2012 (EST)

Oh I'm sorry, did some tyranny put that rule there? Sorry if I stated a fact or opinion that they oppose... - Nìcmávr ^(Tálk) 20:23, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Well whoever wrote that rule hilariously butchered the English language. But seriously, there is plenty of merit to Nicmavr or any other contributors referring to any of the accused moderators as "corrupted." Evodvi, this is not the course of action you should be taking right now. Grizzlei ♥ ツ