Wow CT, You couldn't of just renamed mine instead of deleteing it? It doesn't matter but you completly wasted my time, and don't say you didn't. But oh will, not that important, just kinda of unerving.Lekgolo 02:50, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Its not that big a deal. Chances are if you feel the need to rant about something, you probably shouldn't. Might come back to bite you on the ass. BLADEBANE Anti-Vandal 02:53, March 28, 2010 (UTC)Blade bane
Most likly, but I like to risk it.Lekgolo 18:13, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
If we can't decide on a name then it must be called Unknown MJOLNIR Mark V Variant 18:54, March 28, 2010 (UTC) —This unsigned comment is made by Vegerot (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
- No, it shouldn't. We know the name, the problem was whether to call it "Mark V(B) Mjolnir Powered Assault Armor" or "Mjolnir Powered Assault Armor/Mark V(B)". --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 19:00, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
This is the format of all the other Variants so we either change this or we change everything else.Thank you taking time to listen to my post! 20:22, March 28, 2010 (UTC)!
It would be better if we did it the other way because it shows it better. ANd so far we have only had comments about why we should do it this way (Mjolnir Powered Assault Armor/Mark V(B)) and we haven't had any reason otherwise. So the majority says they like it the other way better and this is a democracy, (well at least if you live in the U.S.A) so lets give the people what they want!Thank you taking time to listen to my post! 16:01, March 29, 2010 (UTC)!!
- This isn't the USA, and the USA is not a democracy - it's a republic. Halopedia is not a democracy, and even if it was; I DON'T SEE A MAJORITY VOTE HERE. SmokeSound off! 16:04, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
Mark V[B] and the standard one Edit
I just wanted to ask for a clarification on this trivia statement:
Mark V[B] was released in 2551 to Noble Team; one year before the standard model was available to the SPARTAN-IIs.
From Bungie's Q&A:
S-117 was not the first Spartan to receive the Mk. V armor, as he had been in the field when it entered service on 24 Nov 2551.
From that, there is nothing to indicate that only the [B] variant was released in 2551. The way I see it, the basic Mark V (not just the [B] model) was released in 2551 for all Spartans who weren't in the field, not just for Noble Team. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 20:08, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
- But then what about Gamma Company?!Gogeta21 22:11, May 4, 2010 (UTC)!!!!
- I'm sure it was just for Noble team. I mean, it's made by a private corporation. With each armour piece costing the UNSC as much as a fleet-worth of Destroyers (at least the constant development of the standard V), I'm not sure they'd be able to fund more than Noble Team's roster. Gamma company and the Headhunter specialists still had their SPI armour while Black team had their own prototype variant.-- Forerunner 22:49, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
- It's obvious that MJOLNIR wasn't issued for Gamma Company. But my point was, is there anything to indicate that only the [B] model (and not the "default" Mark V) was released in 2551? The Bungie Q&A never mentions anything more specific than just "Mark V". Judging by that statement, it seems more likely that the Mark V armor itself was released then, and Noble Team just happens to wear the [B] variant. Here's the entire quote:
- S-117 was not the first Spartan to receive the Mk. V armor, as he had been in the field when it entered service on 24 Nov 2551. The most obvious indication of this is how familiar the Marines on the UNSC Pillar of Autumn (C-709) were with the armor.
- So, what was so special about 29 Aug 2552? This was the very first time a "smart" AI had "piggy-backed" in the Mjolnir Mk. V powered assault armor during "live-fire" simulated combat conditions.
- From this, it seems that all Spartan-IIs (not IIIs like Gamma) who weren't in the field at the time (plus Noble Team) received the Mark V in 2551.
- [B] is technically a visually upgraded version of Combat Evolved. Bungie made it a different model so they could be more free with its look. Remember that all SPARTANs who received Mark V before August 2552 were secret. Perhaps ONI simply copied Halsey's standard design and had other teams work on variants. That way, they could hand them out without Halsey knowing they existed. Furthermore, I believe that Halsey's version was already complete some time before 2552; CQC and Security also being ready with it. I assume that she kept hers unreleased to the SPARTANs because she wanted to enhance them better; ie. attempt to enhance the shields. The Mark V officially entered service on 30 August, 2552. Releases before then were kept as secret or alternatively handed out as prototypes.-- Forerunner 17:40, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
- Where was it ever stated that releases before Aug 2552 were kept secret? The way I understand the B.net answer, the official release was on 24 Nov 2551. Aug 31 2552 was simply when John received it, and the first time it was used with a Smart AI. There is nothing to indicate - not even in The Fall of Reach - that releases before Aug 2552 were kept secret from anybody. The original intention in Fall of Reach might've been that John was the first one to use the armor but it was never directly stated. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 17:53, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
- Perhaps Noble Team was special. Like the Office of Naval Intelligence wanted to see if a group of SPARTAN-IIIs(Jorge was probably already wearing it beforehand) could wear an armor like this. So they created a new variant specifically for SPARTAN-IIIs (they probably downgraded the reaction time, AI system so they wouldn't die when then AI went in their heads, etc.). And before they know it, Reach is under attack so they went into battle.Gogeta21 20:37, May 5, 2010 (UTC)!!!!!!!!!!
- Alright, I'm not sure how your post is relevant to the discussion. Just to clarify, my points were:
- A. Judging by the official answer from Bungie, the entire Mark V set was officially released on 24 November 2551, not just the Mark V[B]. Furthermore, there is nothing to indicate that this release was kept secret from anyone or that it was exclusive for Noble Team or only a select group of Spartan-IIs. The only reason John got the armor almost a year later was that he was on the field when it was released.
Interesting. If the helmet and shoulder pads are the only confirmed parts of the suit as being Mark V[B], then where are the standard Mark components, namely the helmet and shoulder pads?
What about the body of the suit itself? Is that the standard Mark V body, or is it also the V[B]? Is the armor in Reach simply another example of Bungie doing the fairly limited "mix-and-match" scheme as they did before? --Exalted Obliteration 21:59, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
- The rest of the armor might be designated Mark V[B], but we have no confirmation on that. As far as we know, it might simply be an aesthetic upgrade of the standard Mark V. The Armory in Reach makes no mention of other components being Mark V[B], not even the chest. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 07:19, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
The shoulders that were known as Mark V[B] during the Beta are now known as FJ/PARA. http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14276699/halo-project/videos/halor_armory_montage_072210.html;jsessionid=2wjq8dkvoqx64?show=hi -TheLostJedi 13:14, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
- A Bungie image from before the Beta confirmed that both appear as shoulders. FJ/Para is a non-standard Mark V shoulder piece, you can use it on any suit to make you more aerodynamic.-- Forerunner 13:58, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
FJ/PARA and Mk V[B] Edit
I removed the shoulder pauldron from the article because it's apparent that the Mk V[B] shoulder from the beta is now the Para shoulder for some reason. I was referring to this and this (on the page, it mentions that Kat has FJ/PARA shoulders). Even though I can't begin to fathom why this change was made, that seems sufficient evidence to me. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 10:37, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
Shield Recharging Edit
Does anyone know how much slower the shields are to recharge than the armor featured in Halo 1-3?
Whole armor set? Edit
Right now, I'm seriously wondering if others know something I don't and if I've missed something crucial. Because a lot of people seem to assume the entire armor set worn by the members of Noble Team is designated Mark V[B]. As far as I know, only the helmet has been confirmed to be part of the [B] variant. Just like the [A] or [M] helmets, it's a variant that includes a few armor pieces. Yet in the case of [B], many seem to be jumping to the conclusion the whole armor set is Mark V[B]. Could someone explain this? Because without more solid proof, it seems that the base armor is actually just a graphically updated version of the default Mark V. Even John in the easter egg at the end seems to be wearing the same armor, with the Mark V shoulders and helmet. I mean, it's possible that the whole armor is designated Mark V[B]. It's just that we need some proof to make this claim, and from where I stand, this proof doesn't exist. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 09:13, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
- Don't forget the picture of John near the end of Halsey's journal, he's wearing Reach style Mark V armour with the Mark V shoulders and Helmet. Alex T Snow 09:17, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
- And if the default chestplate is name [B], Bungie should have the original Mark V chestplate for us to use, not just the shoulder pads and the helmet. Conclusion: I think the Mark V[B] variant consist a helmet only. R211, CQC Specialist 09:22, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
- Yep, and also the armory description: "The Mk. V [B] helmet is one of several 'privatized' variants of previous classified war materiel." Note: The helmet is one of several variants. This is another, if indirect, indication that the variant doesn't possess any other pieces. It's just a privately-manufactured helmet, just like the [A] variant. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 09:26, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
- The Mark V[B] Armour appears to have the standard Mark V chest, leg and arm armour for the most part; however, apart from the helmet, the shoulders, wrists and knees are different from the standard Mark V. Shouldn't this classify it as it's own armour? There may also be other differences that may not yet be apparent, as the only full renders of the Mark V are from Halo: CE's engine, which lacks significant detail to make judgements about its similarities with the Mark V[B] seen in Reach. -- Eram19
- The whole point is, how do you know any armor parts beside the helmet belong to the Mark V[B] variant? If you look at the armory in the game, only the helmet is identified as Mark V[B] while the shoulders, chest, knees, etc. are only classified as "default". To me, it seems that all the apparent differences to the Mark V seen in Combat Evolved are just visual upgrades to the design due to ten years of advancement in video game graphics. From this, as well as all the points mentioned above, I'm still going to assume the rest of the default armor is the standard Mark V. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 11:24, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
- While you may be correct about the chest and knees being standard Mark V you can't assume that the shoulders are as it is possible to unlock the Mark V shoulder permutation, it can be seen as the right shoulder on Carter--Soul reaper 11:45, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
- That's because default shoulders is no shoulders, they have been removed. No shoulders is not a permutation. Alex T Snow 11:55, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
- Jugus - "how do you know any armor parts beside the helmet belong to the Mark V[B] variant?"
- What about the special Gamestop pre-order Armour, the UA/Multi Threat chest with grenade belt? It's a non-helmet piece of armour that is clearly named as belonging to the Mark V[B] Armour range, or a permutation thereof. Halopedia already has a page stating that the UA/Multi threat is a subset of the MJOLNIR Mark V[B] armour (not just helmet), and although it isn't a standard issue piece of Mark V[B] armour, it is clearly labelled as Mark V[B] in the Armoury (and other sources, such as Bungie and Gamestop), implying that the Mark V[B] armour consists of more than just the helmet variant. - Eram19
- Yeah, you are correect, but I don't think Bungie will let the Mark V(B) Helmet as the default, but make the Mark V(B) [chestplate or shounlders pads] that require cR. R211, CQC Specialist 06:24, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
- Forgot about that one. The variant indeed has more pieces then - still, the main point I'm trying to get across here is that many assume the entire default armor set in the game (including chest, knees, etc.) to be Mark V[B]. While possible, there's no evidence of that. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 06:25, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
- Fair enough, but, since the armour permutation has more components than just the helmet, the Mark V[B] variant should be reverted to its own armour suit, not just the helmet, but with the helmet as the only known standard- issue component, and a link to the Multithreat page as an additional non-standard issue component.
- My point isn't that the Mark V[B] is the standard default armour, it's that it is its own armour variant, not just a helmet variant, and should be identified as such on it's page. If you want to make the page "Unknown Halo: Reach Default Armour" as its own separate article, be my guest. -Eram19
- But I am quite certain that there are no V(B) chestplate and shoulder pads.... R211, CQC Specialist 06:35, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure we don't need to call the default armor "unknown" by any means, as it already has a page: It's called Mark V. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 06:40, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
- Hehe, fair enough, it was a joke, my only point being that the armour has additional components other than the helmet, even if the standard armour is the default mark V (minus the shoulder pauldrons). -Eram19