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  • ONI seems to be gaining a significant amount of political pull, some of which is agienst the rest of the UNSC, such as with the Elites. Could we be seeing a civil war in future games?

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    • Do you mean UNSC VS ONI civil war ?, if so I don't think so ONI may have alot of power but is still dwarfed by the entire UNSC .

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    • I think a civil war will occur between the UNSC and citizens who want to see the UEG (United Earth Government) return to running things. I believe the UNSC is still seizing control of all government affairs, since that is its job as an emergency military. But they are also supposed to relinquish power to the UEG once their operation is no longer considered an emergency. As far as I know, the UNSC has not given government control back to the UEG.

      From what I've seen of Halo 4, it seems like the Forerunners plans for the Master Chief as the Reclaimer are going to run counter to what the UNSC wants. It's very clear that for various reasons the UNSC is not willing to give up control of anything. That was the whole issue that gave rise to the Insurrectionists to begin with: too much control. The UNSC is going to want to control and regulate what and how they "reclaim" Forerunner tech and are going to use it counter to the Mantle of Responsibility that Humanity is supposed to inherit. I believe this is what is going to spark a Civil War, With John and Halsey at the helm. People, especially the Spartan 4's, are going to have to decide who they fight for: Humanity or the UNSC. 

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    • The UEG official page states that it was granted its power back following the Human-Covenant war. As it Stands the UNSC is once again subservient. You can equate the UNSC control during the war as Martial law which would more than likely be initiated following Admiral Coles engagements with the Covenant and their ultimate reveal to the public. 

      As it stands though the biggest testament to the UEG being back in control is the fact the UNSC Infinity while an extremely powerful ship, has a primary mission of being diplomatic and exploratory. While an extremely well armed and powerful ship capable of outclassing even the Covenants most powerful ships, she is first and foremost diplomatic and exploratory. Ill also add shes probably a deterrent because if many UNSC ships now have shields and the like, the sight of a ship like the Infinity which was nigh invincible to anything except the Didact would be the biggest indicated Humanity is longer a race you want to screw with. (Even though the reformed Covenant has in fact made that unsung declaration of war.)

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    • That "unsung declaration of war" is really just them denying the fact that they lost The War.

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    • well their leader is still at large, im assuming he still has respectable support and military capabilities. The Sangheili are still in the civil war in which the new Covenant has easily gotten their power and military strength. That unsung war is really an underscore to the point the Forerunners are back. Regardless of the Previous wars outcome its pretty obvious this is more or less a revenge kind of war as well, its completely different compared to the previous one.

      There was no denying they lost the war... thats not even up for question to the new covenant. They are just starting a new one to try and finish what the previous one started and its proving to not be a fruitful as they hoped considering the 6 month back and forth on requiem. not to mention the Infinity can challenge and defeat most Covvie ships no problem. 

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    • Feudalplague wrote:
      The UEG official page states that it was granted its power back following the Human-Covenant war. As it Stands the UNSC is once again subservient. You can equate the UNSC control during the war as Martial law which would more than likely be initiated following Admiral Coles engagements with the Covenant and their ultimate reveal to the public. 

      As it stands though the biggest testament to the UEG being back in control is the fact the UNSC Infinity while an extremely powerful ship, has a primary mission of being diplomatic and exploratory. While an extremely well armed and powerful ship capable of outclassing even the Covenants most powerful ships, she is first and foremost diplomatic and exploratory. Ill also add shes probably a deterrent because if many UNSC ships now have shields and the like, the sight of a ship like the Infinity which was nigh invincible to anything except the Didact would be the biggest indicated Humanity is longer a race you want to screw with. (Even though the reformed Covenant has in fact made that unsung declaration of war.)

      Thanks for clarifying that. Although, it's kind of hard to be diplomatic with the kind of armament the Infinity has. Unless it's the "do what I say or I'll blow you sky-high," kind of diplomacy, then yes. The wiki says it was "repurposed" but what does that even mean? The ship's primary role is still a combat-oriented one. With that in mind, you're right in saying that it is mainly a deterrent. 

      I still have this feeling that we're going to see greater division amongst Humanity. Maybe it won't be on a bigger scale. Perhaps it will only be smaller scale things like ONI getting ahead of itself and claiming to act for "the greater good" to justify shirking the UEG/UNSC's authority. Who knows, since this is the Reclaimer Saga, perhaps Humanity will remain for the most part united in their struggle against the growing Forerunner threat.

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    • ONI is a fraction of its former self. Comparing wartime ONI to the peacetime ONI is like looking at the Height of the CIA in the US to the organization which was pretty much purged and is now a shadow of its former self. No to mention 90% of ONI's wartime projects were thrashed by the war or cut off in favor of studying forerunner artifacts. 

      As it stands, yeah Infinity was repurposed but going from the ship that was supposed to take on any covvie ships and come out on top BEFORE they included the foreunner tech is something to be reckoned with. Short of that debacle on Requiem the Infinity is by far the most advanced ship in the galaxy and was previously an ONI project which was transformed into a project of war and was instead taken from ONI pretty much and given to the mainline UNSC fleet. the UNSC has pretty much taken the route of the United States has right now. The Military has taken the main role of research and development now and even has larger intel capabilities, while the CIA is a shadow of its former self. The most division were going to see in Humanity is when the UNSC finally find the independent humans and either recognize them as outside UEG jurisdiction, or try to force their reincorporation into the Whole of Humanity. 

      The Likeliness of Humanity being Divided is further lessened by the fact if Humans hadnt dealt with a self destruction syndrome post war with the covenant, and have in contrast to that not only recovered, but recovered miraculously. The Home Fleet had been completely recovered and the huge Industrial potential of the UNSC had pretty much assured their remaining worlds that Earth and all her Colonies were going to survive.

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    • Fair enough. Humanity really got lucky with the Great Schism and the ensuing war between the Sangheili and the Jiralhanae. Covenant technology is reverse-engineered from Forerunner tech as well, but so far it doesn't seem like the Covenant Empire's higher classed ships managed to survive the schism. We know the Remnant has an assault carrier, which is only slightly smaller than the Infinity, but other than that there doesn't seem to be a vessel capable of straight up overpowering the Infinity; like one of the super-carriers.

      You make alot of good points about Humanity being undivided though. I would argue that the Insurrectionists are still a threat, but thinking about it now: the most that'll come of that is terrorist attacks and the like. Not the galaxy-spanning civil war it was before. 

      So, the UNSC Infinity is OP, and Humanity is A-OK until the Didact shows up again.

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    • If ONI wants control all they have to do is assainate the UNSC on the UNSC Innifinity.  ONI owns the spartan 4's.  They could easily take control of the bridge, engine room, and all other  major facilities on the vessel.  The problem lies with what the remaining UNSC forces are willing to do to make sure the ship doesn't fall into 'rebell' hands.  I think that in the event of an ONI insurrection the UNSC would blow up the ship or severly cripple it beyond repair.  And the facitily that makes the vessels would most likely fall to ONI.  This is because ONI has spartan 4's and most likely another Innifity class vessel being made.  (I mean if you had one kick ass ship why not make 5?)  If the facility fell then there would be no place to fix the advanced tech of the severely crippled ship even if it could rid itself of the UNSC without major damage.  

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    • nowhere ive seen shows that ONI owns the Spartan IV's. in fact for the most part they carry naval rank many were former marines or ODST's which places them directly under the command of the UNSC's navy and not ONI

      As for the UNSC Infinity she is also not ONI, she was a previous ONI project that was meant to be Humanities ark if Humanity lost at earth. It was built to take on the Greatest Covenant ships. However following the end of the war it was outfitted with Forerunner tech and was repurposed from ONI for exploration and diplomatic with a undertone of a military role. 

      All in All the Infinity is not an ONI ship, the Spartans IV's number from about 300-500 and would in no way be enough to combat the smackdown of firepower the UNSC has to bear (that is if they were ONI.) As it Stands ONI is gutten and lost most of its power and finesse with Ackerson died and many of its projects were gutted or repurposed to help Humanity for the greater purpose of which the Infinity is the perfect example of this. Lets also point out the last ONI Spartans were the Spartan III's and considering the amount of allocated resources to a program that would be ultimately be a failure ONI was never given control of another Spartan Program, they Took Halseys route of getting the parameters and tech to sync up with a vast majority of the population and took members from trained soldiers already which were navy and gave them new Mjolnir armor. 

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    • Dude look at all the shit they are doing behind Hood's back regarding the Elites. Seriously ONI, what the hell?

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    • ONI is crooked. 

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    • Vman0 wrote:
      ONI is crooked. 

      In fact, it is so crooked, it should be completely reformed. Oh, and the people who caused the Sangheili civil war should be killed.

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
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    • ONI should be purged

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    • The Office of Naval Intelligence should serve the Navy, not the other way around. ONI exists as the intelligence arm of the Fleet and should be subject to the control of the Navy Brass.  Nylund’s writing had ONI existing as a shadowy CIA/NSA variant running projects like Orion and Spartan II, but in conjunction with Naval Special Warfare Command, answering to the Naval chain of command. We are introduced to goo, moral Officers like Lt. Elias Halverson who worked in an intelligence capacity for ONI and ultimately gave his life to destroy a fleet and save Earth.   Traviss’ writing however made ONI into SPECTRE, and Parangosky into a more evil and villainous version of Blofeld. Gone was any sense that ONI REPORTED to Fleet, but rather they now ran the show and Fleet just toddled along doing whatever the grand spy mistress required of them. 

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