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  • It looks a lot fatter and rounder, paired with how ugly the front of the helmet looks in general. I took a look at the artbook for the concept art behind Halo 4 - the other designs for Master Chief looked amazing! What happened to his iconic look? It may be a cool helmet to some, but Master Chief doesn't look like Master Chief anymore.

    The armor looks great, but the helmet's a huge turnoff. Seeing how that helmet looked in the Halo 5 teaser also pained me. I hope 343i makes some kind of canonical excuse to change his armor; I don't think it's possible go screw the pooch at his helmet twice. I want to feel like I'm playing as John-117 in a sequel to his story, not some cheesy, generic-looking, chubby knockoff.

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    • agreed

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    • Nah, I absolutely adore the new helmet! It hasn't even changed all that much, and I don't understand where you're coming from with the "fatter" on the helmet - it's the same width, and as for rounder - it just looks more like a protective helmet. Don't get me wrong, I love both iterations, and far more than the Mark V.

      Also, "generic looking"? There's nothing more iconic than the Master Chief's helmet, whether in the taller visored Halo 3 version or the Halo 4 version with the lower forehead.

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    • I agreed about how the should explain the changes to the armor

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    • I like the halo 3 version a lot better. IMO, the halo 4 one looks clunky and weird.

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    • Xili Gar wrote: Nah, I absolutely adore the new helmet! It hasn't even changed all that much, and I don't understand where you're coming from with the "fatter" on the helmet - it's the same width, and as for rounder - it just looks more like a protective helmet. Don't get me wrong, I love both iterations, and far more than the Mark V.

      Also, "generic looking"? There's nothing more iconic than the Master Chief's helmet, whether in the taller visored Halo 3 version or the Halo 4 version with the lower forehead.

      There's a huge difference between the two. My profile pic serves as a prime example.
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      Comparison of Bungie & 343i's Depictions of the Mk. VI Helmet


      And you're right - Master Chief's helmet is iconic. Just not the Halo 4 revamp.

      As for looking generic - the visor on the new helmet was tailored specifically for the chin-down/eyes-up cliché. It just looks uglier. It completely degrades the character Bungie had built up before 343i. We can't see John's face, so his helmet is his face. Having Master Chief follow that fad completely undermines how Bungie's portrayed the character and, yes, makes him look a lot more generic.

      Master Chief's personality was expressed through "little things" like these.

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      Master Chief's Helmet - Original Halo Trilogy

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      Master Chief - Halo 2

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      Master Chief - Halo 3

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      Master Chief's Helmet - Halo 4

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      Master Chief - Halo 4

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      Halo 4 Promo

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      Master Chief Render - Halo 4

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      Master Chief's Helmet - Halo 5 Trailer

      Mega64 Chin Down, Eyes Up

      Mega64 Chin Down, Eyes Up

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    • Xili Gar wrote: as for rounder - it just looks more like a protective helmet.

      That does not, in any way, make it look "more like a protective helmet". It's just an unnecessary change (and an unappealing one at that).

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    • 343i doesn't even have to completely overhaul the design for it to look decent. This picture's an example of someone taking the elements of 343i's design and turning it into an overall good-looking helmet that actually resembles and suits Master Chief:

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      Master Chief Helmet Redesign

      This design seems to have traded the "bucket-head" look for Master Chief's iconic "helmet jawline".

      Master chief by z grimv-d5m4g8u

      "Iconic Helmet Jawline"

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    • Idk, that concept art seems to be exactly how he looks in the game, yet you say it's different, "good-looking" and "resembles master chief". As your profile picture shows, the actual front-on comparison between the helmets shows not that much of a difference. What's changed is the colour, the texture, and small details that don't make the helmet look any worse, as it's just adding detail. :) Also, the mouthpiece thing is a little higher, which makes the visor a little smaller. That's protective - i'd rather have Titanuim covering my face than glass. (that's not what it's made of yes, but it's still the same point.)

      I think this is a matter of how 343 animated chief to hold his head rather than about the helmet. Your profile pic itself proves it - the changes are miniscule. :)

      Also, would you care to explain what you mean by "bucket-head look?" Idk what you mean by that.

      P.S. I still like the Halo 3 helmet BTW, I love both helmets, and they still invoke that feeling of awesomeness and badassery. :D

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    • Xili Gar wrote: Idk, that concept art seems to be exactly how he looks in the game, yet you say it's different, "good-looking" and "resembles master chief". As your profile picture shows, the actual front-on comparison between the helmets shows not that much of a difference. What's changed is the colour, the texture, and small details that don't make the helmet look any worse, as it's just adding detail. :) Also, the mouthpiece thing is a little higher, which makes the visor a little smaller. That's protective - i'd rather have Titanuim covering my face than glass. (that's not what it's made of yes, but it's still the same point.)

      I think this is a matter of how 343 animated chief to hold his head rather than about the helmet. Your profile pic itself proves it - the changes are miniscule. :)

      Also, would you care to explain what you mean by "bucket-head look?" Idk what you mean by that.

      P.S. I still like the Halo 3 helmet BTW, I love both helmets, and they still invoke that feeling of awesomeness and badassery. :D

      I'm just going to wait for other readers to judge how "miniscule" the change is. I've no idea how you're missing it, but the two look completely different. ¦:-1

      And the artwork differs vastly from the Master Chief we see in Halo 4.



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      The Analysis

      The picture here highlights the unpleasant changes with the latest incarnation. I don't have professional editing software, but this should suffice (apologies in advance for the amateur touchscreen handwriting + laughable artistic skills).

      This comparison captures the essence of the two helmets. There is no "cool in-game graphics" or "hi-res textures", so you only see pure design. Design-wise, Halo 4's iteration is just chunkier, and in some cases, lazier. Halo 3's helmet looked like a unique and advanced helmet.

      This is what the other guy in this thread meant by Halo 4's helmet looking "clunky and weird". I don't know if you just see Master Chief's helmet as "just an armored helmet for your average space marine", but anyone that had grown with Master Chief's iconic look should easily spot the difference.

      As for the difference between Halo 4's actual helmet and the redesign I posted earlier: the "cheeks" of the redesigned helmet aren't thick, the "iconic helmet jawline" is resurrected, and the visor design of the actual helmet covers only the upper region of the visor (as opposed to the redesign's more neutral positioning), giving the appearance of an improved Master Chief without hurting his iconic design, making for an appealing design overall.

      Were it not for these eyes of mine, my Halo marksmanship skills wouldn't be near as god-like.

      Master Chief's original helmet didn't look vulnerable; Halo 4's helmet just looks overdone. As I said before, this is Master Chief's "face" to us. Regardless of whether the new design seems "more protective" or not, it kills Master Chief's iconic design and its symbolism.

      Can't help but see only this whenever I see Master Chief in Halo 4:
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      Halo 4 Master Chief Helmet Personification

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      Halo 4's Master Chief

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    • Xili Gar wrote: Also, would you care to explain what you mean by "bucket-head look?" Idk what you mean by that.

      What I meant by "bucket-head" was how the shape of the helmet was just bland, with the flat-round "jaw" of the helmet making it seem like Master Chief just threw a bucket over his face.

      Bucket-head-face-smile

      It's Bucket Head, everybody!

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    • The only thing that looks different to me is the edges of the visor. Curved up in Halo 4

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    • The halo 4 helmet will never be as memorable as the halo 2/3 one for older fans. The new helmet may not have any huge changes, but it has enough minor ones to look lame compared to the earlier, better one. IMO, the new one-hell, john's entire new halo 4 armor set-seems less metallic, less powerful and more of a random ugly mishmash of designs. It just looks bad, and whenever I see it, just like whenever I see anything about halo 4, I feel like shooting everyone at 343i with a plasma rifle. Specifically that gun, cuz 343i seemed to forget its existence for the pathetic game halo 4.

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    • I don't think 343 was being "lazy" with their design choices for Master Chief's armor. It seems like they were trying to make it look more practical and functional - like a combat-suit that was actually going to protect you. Not to say that the previous Halo's did not get this across, but the Halo 4 suit looks beefier. If anything, the previous Halo's kind of push the barrier between being believable and fuctional armor and just being ridiculous and impractical sci-fi armor. It's always sat somewhere between and it's been pretty comfortable there.

      343 has made the attempt to give Halo a more grounded and gritty real-world feel, which is evident in the overall color tone of Halo 4 and their design choices. If their goal was to be as close to real-world representation as possible, then that means adding more detail. Which isn't always a good thing. In Halo 4, there was alot of detail in everything, but the colors of the game were very dull, reminding me of something more like Battlefield or Call of Duty. Sometimes it feels like there's too much going on. They added tons of detail to the Master Chief's armor and then toned down all the colors in the game, so now the details don't stand out and niether does the Chief. 

      He still looks very much like a high-tech future soldier, but it's different. New designs aren't nescessarily a bad thing, 343 is creating a new trilogy afterall and they want to distinquish their work from Bungie's. But I hope they get more artistic with it as opposed to settling with the call of duty palette.

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    • 72.239.23.25 wrote: I don't think 343 was being "lazy" with their design choices for Master Chief's armor. It seems like they were trying to make it look more practical and functional - like a combat-suit that was actually going to protect you. Not to say that the previous Halo's did not get this across, but the Halo 4 suit looks beefier. If anything, the previous Halo's kind of push the barrier between being believable and fuctional armor and just being ridiculous and impractical sci-fi armor. It's always sat somewhere between and it's been pretty comfortable there.

      343 has made the attempt to give Halo a more grounded and gritty real-world feel, which is evident in the overall color tone of Halo 4 and their design choices. If their goal was to be as close to real-world representation as possible, then that means adding more detail. Which isn't always a good thing. In Halo 4, there was alot of detail in everything, but the colors of the game were very dull, reminding me of something more like Battlefield or Call of Duty. Sometimes it feels like there's too much going on. They added tons of detail to the Master Chief's armor and then toned down all the colors in the game, so now the details don't stand out and niether does the Chief. 

      He still looks very much like a high-tech future soldier, but it's different. New designs aren't nescessarily a bad thing, 343 is creating a new trilogy afterall and they want to distinquish their work from Bungie's. But I hope they get more artistic with it as opposed to settling with the call of duty palette.

      That's a great statement and all, but you might wanna save it for another thread. This isn't about Master Chief's armor in general; we're talking about his helmet. I read your entire comment out of respect. I ask you to do the same with my other comments and inform yourself before engaging in this discussion. They go into further detail. No hard feelings though, buddy. :-D

      And never did I say "we don't need a new helmet; bring back the old one". I explained how 343i butchered Master Chief's helmet to the point where it no longer retains Master Chief's iconic look. You couldn't just say "this was so that Master Chief wouldn't stand out in Halo 4" when the other helmet designs and SPARTANs in Halo 4 look nowhere near as ugly, yet they blend in with Halo 4's overall artistic change, contradicting your statement. Sarah Palmer doesn't need to look über-ugly to be a "badass character".
      File:H4 SDCC2012 PalmerArmor turnaround.png

      The redesign I posted is a hybrid of 343i's depiction and Bungie's iconic design - the face of Master Chief. This goes along perfectly with Halo 4 gritty look while still maintaining the look of Master Chief, rather trading it for something straight out of Doom.

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      Nothing ugly about him. This redesign captures the fundamentals of 343i's design while converting it into an appealing remodel that retains Master Chief's iconic look. This looks like an improved Master Chief - who's the new guy we play as in Halo 4?

      Halo4..

      "The New Guy"

      Master chief by z grimv-d5m4g8u

      We'll miss you, old buddy.

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      This picture here is by 343i. It was concept art for Master Chief in Halo 4. This looks like an improved Master Chief. The final design didn't.

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    • 72.239.23.25 wrote:

      I don't think 343 was being "lazy" with their design choices for Master Chief's armor.

      The point of my comment wasn't that their design lazy; I was debunking the claims of the new helmet's design looking "more-detailed".

      72.239.23.25 wrote: New designs aren't nescessarily a bad thing

      New designs aren't necessarily a good thing either. But a new design can be for the worse, if it demolishes a character's established portrayal, re-shaping it into something completely different. In this case, the protagonist doesn't even look like the same character.

      Jorge in Halo: Reach was meant to be the "hulking heavyweight" of his team. What if they made him scrawny? Would he be the same character? Master Chief was supposed to be an ordinary SPARTAN-II with a helmet ambiguous in design. His new helmet's design makes him out to be the heavyweight character - a completely different character than the Master Chief of the games and fiction.

      Especially with how the visor's placed on his new helmet, though you may see this as "just nitpicking, it makes Master Chief follow the generic trend aforementioned in one of my earlier comments.

      Mega64 Chin Down, Eyes Up

      Mega64 Chin Down, Eyes Up

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      Goodbye, Master Chief; hello, generic cliché.

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    • @Syncrilibrium, I still get the impression that you're just pissed at 343 for making Chief look like he's hanging his head, rather than proudly nose-up. That's what I understood from all this, it's not about the helmet, it's about how he holds his head under that helmet. You keep referring back to the concept art which is practically the same as the one in Halo 4, except he's looking up rather than down. It's like you have a bone to pick with the chin down eyes up thing, which I don't like all that much either, but on the Chief, I think it's pulled off better than elsewhere (like that Mega64 thing you posted)

      Good day! :)

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    • Y'know syncrilibrium, in that concept art where he's holding his hand up, his helmet and arms look much better, but the shoulders? The body? Ugh, they look absolutely atrocious! I can't believe I'm saying this, but somehow 343i actually made a good-looking master chief body...compared to the concept art. It's still crap compared to Bungie's design though.

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    • Xili Gar wrote: @Syncrilibrium, I still get the impression that you're just pissed at 343 for making Chief look like he's hanging his head, rather than proudly nose-up. That's what I understood from all this, it's not about the helmet, it's about how he holds his head under that helmet. You keep referring back to the concept art which is practically the same as the one in Halo 4, except he's looking up rather than down. It's like you have a bone to pick with the chin down eyes up thing, which I don't like all that much either, but on the Chief, I think it's pulled off better than elsewhere (like that Mega64 thing you posted)

      Good day! :)

      That's kind of an ignorant thing to say...I've referred to the concept art everytime I was specifying the visor change, but the rest of my comments have explained the differences besides that.

      Maybe you want to read the comments you're replying to before dismissing someone as "just pissed at 343i"? Couldn't people just say that about anyone bringing up legitimate concerns about a topic?

      That's not how discussion works. For future reference: it takes listening to engage in a conversation.

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    • Xili Gar wrote:

      I still get the impression that you're just pissed at 343 for making Chief look like he's hanging his head, rather than proudly nose-up. That's what I understood from all this, it's not about the helmet, it's about how he holds his head under that helmet. You keep referring back to the concept art which is practically the same as the one in Halo 4, except he's looking up rather than down.

      How did you miss all these pictures I've posted on this thread? Look this direction, please?

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      No angle. Just looking straight ahead.

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      "Proudly nose-up"

      Smgs

      "Hanging his head"

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    • Syncrilibrium wrote:

      That's kind of an ignorant thing to say...I've referred to the concept art everytime I was specifying the visor change, but the rest of my comments have explained the differences besides that.

      Maybe you want to read the comments you're replying to before dismissing someone as "just pissed at 343i"? Couldn't people just say that about anyone bringing up legitimate concerns about a topic?

      That's not how discussion works. For future reference: it takes listening to engage in a conversation.

      Fair enough. I see what you mean, but I still hold by the belief that the helmet itself looks decent, and I have no problems with the chin-down eyes-up on Chief.

      I did read your post, and as a result came up with the conclusion since you seem to be attacking the Halo 4's render of the helmet and glorifying Bungie's. As someone who likes the two equally, I think that that must be due to some prejudice. Your point is quite true, and I apologise if my thinking this is untrue/offensive to you; I did not intend to be so. And yes you're right, it could be said, but they would probably just be unfounded claims.

      I am fully aware of how conversations work. :) FYI I did listen to you (read your posts) and came to the conclusion I did; it's more about the way he holds his head than the helmet design itself that's troubling you.


      I did see all the pictures you posted here. :) However: Unique vs Lazy design is subjective, fat cheeks is simply a sturdier helmet (do you dislike the helmet because it's got armour plating!?!), sharp/round is true, but does a sharp jawline make a helmet look better? I for one think it looks more like a helmet, and I bet you hate the bottom picture for Chief hanging his head. :)


      Let's end here by quoting Anon:

      "It seems like they [343i] were trying to make it look more practical and functional - like a combat-suit that was actually going to protect you. Not to say that the previous Halo's did not get this across, but the Halo 4 suit looks beefier. If anything, the previous Halo's kind of push the barrier between being believable and fuctional armor and just being ridiculous and impractical sci-fi armor. It's always sat somewhere between and it's been pretty comfortable there.

      343 has made the attempt to give Halo a more grounded and gritty real-world feel, which is evident in the overall color tone of Halo 4 and their design choices. If their goal was to be as close to real-world representation as possible, then that means adding more detail. Which isn't always a good thing."

      ~Rawr

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    • Xili Gar wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:

      That's kind of an ignorant thing to say...I've referred to the concept art everytime I was specifying the visor change, but the rest of my comments have explained the differences besides that.

      Maybe you want to read the comments you're replying to before dismissing someone as "just pissed at 343i"? Couldn't people just say that about anyone bringing up legitimate concerns about a topic?

      That's not how discussion works. For future reference: it takes listening to engage in a conversation.

      Fair enough. I see what you mean, but I still hold by the belief that the helmet itself looks decent, and I have no problems with the chin-down eyes-up on Chief.

      I did read your post, and as a result came up with the conclusion since you seem to be attacking the Halo 4's render of the helmet and glorifying Bungie's. As someone who likes the two equally, I think that that must be due to some prejudice. Your point is quite true, and I apologise if my thinking this is untrue/offensive to you; I did not intend to be so. And yes you're right, it could be said, but they would probably just be unfounded claims.

      I am fully aware of how conversations work. :) FYI I did listen to you (read your posts) and came to the conclusion I did; it's more about the way he holds his head than the helmet design itself that's troubling you.


      I did see all the pictures you posted here. :) However: Unique vs Lazy design is subjective, fat cheeks is simply a sturdier helmet (do you dislike the helmet because it's got armour plating!?!), sharp/round is true, but does a sharp jawline make a helmet look better? I for one think it looks more like a helmet, and I bet you hate the bottom picture for Chief hanging his head. :)


      Let's end here by quoting Anon:

      "It seems like they [343i] were trying to make it look more practical and functional - like a combat-suit that was actually going to protect you. Not to say that the previous Halo's did not get this across, but the Halo 4 suit looks beefier. If anything, the previous Halo's kind of push the barrier between being believable and fuctional armor and just being ridiculous and impractical sci-fi armor. It's always sat somewhere between and it's been pretty comfortable there.

      343 has made the attempt to give Halo a more grounded and gritty real-world feel, which is evident in the overall color tone of Halo 4 and their design choices. If their goal was to be as close to real-world representation as possible, then that means adding more detail. Which isn't always a good thing."

      ~Rawr

      This was the comment that came after your quote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote: That's a great statement and all, but you might wanna save it for another thread. This isn't about Master Chief's armor in general; we're talking about his helmet. I read your entire comment out of respect. I ask you to do the same with my other comments and inform yourself before engaging in this discussion. They go into further detail. No hard feelings though, buddy. :-D And never did I say "we don't need a new helmet; bring back the old one". I explained how 343i butchered Master Chief's helmet to the point where it no longer retains Master Chief's iconic look. You couldn't just say "this was so that Master Chief wouldn't stand out in Halo 4" when the other helmet designs and SPARTANs in Halo 4 look nowhere near as ugly, yet they blend in with Halo 4's overall artistic change, contradicting your statement. Sarah Palmer doesn't need to look über-ugly to be a "badass character".
      File:H4 SDCC2012 PalmerArmor turnaround.png

      The redesign I posted is a hybrid of 343i's depiction and Bungie's iconic design - the face of Master Chief. This goes along perfectly with Halo 4 gritty look while still maintaining the look of Master Chief, rather trading it for something straight out of Doom.

      Screenshot (65)

      Nothing ugly about him. This redesign captures the fundamentals of 343i's design while converting it into an appealing remodel that retains Master Chief's iconic look. This looks like an improved Master Chief - who's the new guy we play as in Halo 4?

      Halo4..

      "The New Guy"

      Master chief by z grimv-d5m4g8u

      We'll miss you, old buddy.

      I respect your opinion and how you prefer the new helmet, but it sounds like you're only hearing what you want to hear. You keep bringing up things I've already disproved. Rather than debating about the stuff I bring up, it sounds like you just reject them as if they never existed.

      Xili Gar wrote: FYI I did listen to you (read your posts) and came to the conclusion I did; it's more about the way he holds his head than the helmet design itself that's troubling you.
      Syncrilibrium posted:
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      No angle. Just looking straight ahead.

      Halo-Xbox-One

      "Proudly nose-up"

      Smgs

      "Hanging his head"

      I even reversed the roles to prove that wasn't the case. It's beyond me how that went right by you, but this thread, as with my comments, are not meant solely for your comprehension. I'm trying to remain as respectful as possible, but you could've had me taking you for some kind of troll pulling at my arm.

      I don't want to re-quote myself over and over again, so I'll stop here. We had a good run, but I can't just keep going in circles for you. You talked a good talk, bud. :-)
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      Good game.

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    • it's decent. 

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    • uld only look nice with his bulkier armor in halo 4 though

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    • Yup, I did see your reply to Anon, but I think that it still applies to the helmet - you rightly corrected the suit aspect, but it still goes for the helmet. You then contradicted yourslef by going off on a tangent about Spartan-IVs armour (Not Chief's helmet!)

      I also respect your opinion, even agreeing with it to an extent. Anyway, you posted the two pics of reversed roles, but did not explain them, leading me to believe that you too only heard what you wanted to. :) I may have gone off on tangents and I'm sorry but I feel we're both sligthly guilty of that.

      "I'm trying to remain as respectful as possible, but you could've had me taking you for some kind of troll pulling at my arm."

      Likewise, I could've taken you for something of the sort. :) I am grateful for the respect, I have also tried to be as respectful as I could, but evidently we're going to have to agree to disagree. 

      "We had a good run" Indeed we did. :) "You talked a good talk, bud. :-)" As did you! Good day to you, mate! :)

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    • Its not that. If you can tell Cortana "upgraded" his armour and his *ahem* "firmware" while he was sleeping to look more like a remiscent of the old Mk.IV armour they used to use.

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    • Xili Gar wrote:

      Yup, I did see your reply to Anon, but I think that it still applies to the helmet - you rightly corrected the suit aspect, but it still goes for the helmet. You then contradicted yourslef by going off on a tangent about Spartan-IVs armour (Not Chief's helmet!)

      ...what? I wasn't even talking about SPARTAN-IV armor. Nope, still helmets. Where do you get this stuff from?

      Syncrilibrium wrote: You couldn't just say "this was so that Master Chief wouldn't stand out in Halo 4" when the other helmet designs and SPARTANs in Halo 4 look nowhere near as ugly, yet they blend in with Halo 4's overall artistic change, contradicting your statement. ".
      File:H4 SDCC2012 PalmerArmor turnaround.png


      Xili Gar wrote: Anyway, you posted the two pics of reversed roles, but did not explain them, leading me to believe that you too only heard what you wanted to. :)

      First of all, this bit: "leading me to believe that you too only heard what you wanted to" doesn't even make sense. It sounds like you're mimicking me to get back at me for offending you in some way I've yet to realize. Secondly, I explained the differences between the two helmets several times in my previous posts. That comparison was to prove how, even at different angles, the differences remained the same, seeing as you thought I was only referring to Master Chief's helmet's angle in pictures. Had I been anymore specific and obvious, I'd be writing a children's book.


      Xili Gar wrote:
      Syncrilibrium wrote: you could've had me taking you for some kind of troll pulling at my arm.
      Likewise, I could've taken you for something of the sort.

      Hope you like a bit of quote-ception with your text-walls...

      We're not in preschool, so again, there's no need for the "I-Know-You-Are-But-What-Am-I" charade. I've disproved your comments over and over again. You have no standing grounds. You'll leave vague remarks, but you yourself won't bother to elaborate. I don't need to go back on what I've said - I'm just re-re-quoting myself for only you. That's literally all I do whenever I reply to you; re-quote myself because you missed a comment or five.

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      • sigh* I thought this ended. Here we go...

      Okay, at least you were still talking about helmets, but you still weren't talking about Chief's one.

      That bit made perfect sense, and rather than me attempting to offend you back inanely I was trying to show you that you too seem to be ignoring facts. I gave you the opportunity to prove otherwise, but you decided to take that as an inane insult. Perhaps I should be more children book-like as well? ;)

      I have no idea what type of charade you are referring to..

      In your opinion tou have disproved me, in my opinion your arguments are petty, you don't need to make passive posts qith huge quotes to prove a point, and I'm sorry you feel like that. You're right, I should probably have attempted to elaborate more on my points.

      Now let's end this by agreeing to disagree. Or are you going to attack that again?

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    • Xili Gar wrote:

      • sigh* I thought this ended. Here we go...

      Okay, at least you were still talking about helmets, but you still weren't talking about Chief's one.

      That bit made perfect sense, and rather than me attempting to offend you back inanely I was trying to show you that you too seem to be ignoring facts. I gave you the opportunity to prove otherwise, but you decided to take that as an inane insult. Perhaps I should be more children book-like as well? ;)

      I have no idea what type of charade you are referring to..

      In your opinion tou have disproved me, in my opinion your arguments are petty, you don't need to make passive posts qith huge quotes to prove a point, and I'm sorry you feel like that. You're right, I should probably have attempted to elaborate more on my points.

      Now let's end this by agreeing to disagree. Or are you going to attack that again?

      Why do you see these as attacks? Not everything's an attack. These replies of mine are merely corrections, since you seem to keep misconceiving what I say.

      And yes, I was comparing to Master Chief's helmet. That's what a comparison is. You compare one thing to another thing. In this case, it was Halo 4's other helmets vs. Master Chief's.

      And this is the charade I was referring to:
      Xili Gar wrote:
      Syncrilibrium wrote: you could've had me taking you for some kind of troll pulling at my arm.
      Likewise, I could've taken you for something of the sort.


      As I suggested two comments ago, let's end this. This is for everyone else, not specifically for your comprehension. Give it a rest, friend. I GG'd you. If you're sick of me re-quoting my re-quotes for you, only to disprove you from time to time again, just GG back and drop it. You can't complain that I'm harassing you with these comments while you yourself are so eager to have the last word.

      Xili Gar wrote: Now let's end this by agreeing to disagree. Or are you going to attack that again?
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    • 149.12.7.137 wrote: Its not that. If you can tell Cortana "upgraded" his armour and his *ahem* "firmware" while he was sleeping to look more like a remiscent of the old Mk.IV armour they used to use.

      That's what I thought of the new helmet too when I first saw it.

      Halo-4-forward-unto-dawn-master-chief
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    • Because I tried to end this pointless discussion in the post before last, but you decided to pick it apart and keep arguing, I had assumed we'd end on agreeing to disagree.

      Okay, fair enough, no need to be patronising over comparisons. :)

      Ahh, I see I wasn't sure what you meant by the charade. And no, I didn't try to emulate that at all.

      Yes, let's end it, I tried to two posts ago (as I mentioned already) and I know it's for others, we've taken up a lot of space on this forum arguing over personal preference is what it boils down to. :)

      Let's give it a rest, GG indeed.

      I guess that's just a personality trait of mine that I need to stomp down on. :)

      GG, agreeing to disagree. :)

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    • Syncrilibrium wrote:

      149.12.7.137 wrote: Its not that. If you can tell Cortana "upgraded" his armour and his *ahem* "firmware" while he was sleeping to look more like a remiscent of the old Mk.IV armour they used to use.

      That's what I thought of the new helmet too when I first saw it.
      Halo-4-forward-unto-dawn-master-chief

      The Mk. IV was the model they used in Halo Wars. The visor was smaller and the helmet was more boxy. The parts also seem transposable rather than fixed; but it was never proven.

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    • Unnamed Field Marshall wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:

      149.12.7.137 wrote: Its not that. If you can tell Cortana "upgraded" his armour and his *ahem* "firmware" while he was sleeping to look more like a remiscent of the old Mk.IV armour they used to use.

      That's what I thought of the new helmet too when I first saw it.
      Halo-4-forward-unto-dawn-master-chief

      The Mk. IV was the model they used in Halo Wars. The visor was smaller and the helmet was more boxy. The parts also seem transposable rather than fixed; but it was never proven.

      Certain SPARTAN-IIs had different variants of the Mk. IV armor. That was Master Chief's Mk. IV armor, or at least one of 'em.

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    • Syncrilibrium wrote:

      Unnamed Field Marshall wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:

      149.12.7.137 wrote: Its not that. If you can tell Cortana "upgraded" his armour and his *ahem* "firmware" while he was sleeping to look more like a remiscent of the old Mk.IV armour they used to use.

      That's what I thought of the new helmet too when I first saw it.
      Halo-4-forward-unto-dawn-master-chief
      The Mk. IV was the model they used in Halo Wars. The visor was smaller and the helmet was more boxy. The parts also seem transposable rather than fixed; but it was never proven.
      Certain SPARTAN-IIs had different variants of the Mk. IV armor. That was Master Chief's Mk. IV armor, or at least one of 'em.

      Look i DIDNT make this up. i actually read it up somewhere that 343 said that but im not sure exactly where. And even with that im sure that the armour wont look like a Ferrari anymore because the old Ferrari armour was banged up fighting in Halo 2, falling from orbit at the begining of Halo 3 and fighting throughout Halo 3 as well. So i think Cortana did him a favour by fixing up his armour a bit with scraps fomr around Forward Unto Dawn during the years he was asleep

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    • 149.12.7.137 wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:

      Unnamed Field Marshall wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:

      149.12.7.137 wrote: Its not that. If you can tell Cortana "upgraded" his armour and his *ahem* "firmware" while he was sleeping to look more like a remiscent of the old Mk.IV armour they used to use.

      That's what I thought of the new helmet too when I first saw it.
      Halo-4-forward-unto-dawn-master-chief
      The Mk. IV was the model they used in Halo Wars. The visor was smaller and the helmet was more boxy. The parts also seem transposable rather than fixed; but it was never proven.
      Certain SPARTAN-IIs had different variants of the Mk. IV armor. That was Master Chief's Mk. IV armor, or at least one of 'em.

      Look i DIDNT make this up. i actually read it up somewhere that 343 said that but im not sure exactly where. And even with that im sure that the armour wont look like a Ferrari anymore because the old Ferrari armour was banged up fighting in Halo 2, falling from orbit at the begining of Halo 3 and fighting throughout Halo 3 as well. So i think Cortana did him a favour by fixing up his armour a bit with scraps fomr around Forward Unto Dawn during the years he was asleep

      I didn't accuse you of lying, I just thought you were unaware of Master Chief's Mk. IV variant.

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    • 149.12.7.137 wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:

      Unnamed Field Marshall wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:

      149.12.7.137 wrote: Its not that. If you can tell Cortana "upgraded" his armour and his *ahem* "firmware" while he was sleeping to look more like a remiscent of the old Mk.IV armour they used to use.

      That's what I thought of the new helmet too when I first saw it.
      Halo-4-forward-unto-dawn-master-chief
      The Mk. IV was the model they used in Halo Wars. The visor was smaller and the helmet was more boxy. The parts also seem transposable rather than fixed; but it was never proven.
      Certain SPARTAN-IIs had different variants of the Mk. IV armor. That was Master Chief's Mk. IV armor, or at least one of 'em.

      Look i DIDNT make this up. i actually read it up somewhere that 343 said that but im not sure exactly where. And even with that im sure that the armour wont look like a Ferrari anymore because the old Ferrari armour was banged up fighting in Halo 2, falling from orbit at the begining of Halo 3 and fighting throughout Halo 3 as well. So i think Cortana did him a favour by fixing up his armour a bit with scraps fomr around Forward Unto Dawn during the years he was asleep

      How exactly would she have done that?

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    • 777 Floating Lightbulb wrote:

      149.12.7.137 wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:

      Unnamed Field Marshall wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:

      149.12.7.137 wrote: Its not that. If you can tell Cortana "upgraded" his armour and his *ahem* "firmware" while he was sleeping to look more like a remiscent of the old Mk.IV armour they used to use.

      That's what I thought of the new helmet too when I first saw it.
      Halo-4-forward-unto-dawn-master-chief
      The Mk. IV was the model they used in Halo Wars. The visor was smaller and the helmet was more boxy. The parts also seem transposable rather than fixed; but it was never proven.
      Certain SPARTAN-IIs had different variants of the Mk. IV armor. That was Master Chief's Mk. IV armor, or at least one of 'em.

      Look i DIDNT make this up. i actually read it up somewhere that 343 said that but im not sure exactly where. And even with that im sure that the armour wont look like a Ferrari anymore because the old Ferrari armour was banged up fighting in Halo 2, falling from orbit at the begining of Halo 3 and fighting throughout Halo 3 as well. So i think Cortana did him a favour by fixing up his armour a bit with scraps fomr around Forward Unto Dawn during the years he was asleep

      How exactly would she have done that?

      Forward Unto Dawn took place before the events of the original Halo trilogy. This is isn't during/after Halo 4. xD

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    • OK THATS IT halo 4 helm is same as halo 3 and 2 helm just better graphics (and i think it looks much nicer in 4) and as for dawn that was most lieky the old Mk 5 from halo CE seen in dawn.

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    • Brenton239 wrote: OK THATS IT halo 4 helm is same as halo 3 and 2 helm just better graphics

      I take it you just saw the original post and scrolled past the entire thread.

      Brenton239 wrote: and as for dawn that was most lieky the old Mk 5 from halo CE seen in dawn.

      That's not the Mk. V. That's Master Chief's Mk. IV variant, AKA the-one-helmet-we-never-see-in-the-games. We only see it in Halo: Legends and Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn.

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    • Syncrilibrium wrote:

      777 Floating Lightbulb wrote:

      149.12.7.137 wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:

      Unnamed Field Marshall wrote:


      Syncrilibrium wrote:

      149.12.7.137 wrote: Its not that. If you can tell Cortana "upgraded" his armour and his *ahem* "firmware" while he was sleeping to look more like a remiscent of the old Mk.IV armour they used to use.

      That's what I thought of the new helmet too when I first saw it.
      Halo-4-forward-unto-dawn-master-chief
      The Mk. IV was the model they used in Halo Wars. The visor was smaller and the helmet was more boxy. The parts also seem transposable rather than fixed; but it was never proven.
      Certain SPARTAN-IIs had different variants of the Mk. IV armor. That was Master Chief's Mk. IV armor, or at least one of 'em.
      Look i DIDNT make this up. i actually read it up somewhere that 343 said that but im not sure exactly where. And even with that im sure that the armour wont look like a Ferrari anymore because the old Ferrari armour was banged up fighting in Halo 2, falling from orbit at the begining of Halo 3 and fighting throughout Halo 3 as well. So i think Cortana did him a favour by fixing up his armour a bit with scraps fomr around Forward Unto Dawn during the years he was asleep
      How exactly would she have done that?
      Forward Unto Dawn took place before the events of the original Halo trilogy. This is isn't during/after Halo 4. xD

      Nah man, im talking about the part when it shows Cortana on Forward Unto Dawn and she's all worried looking. Its not the Corbulo Academy part

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    • 149.12.7.137 wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:

      777 Floating Lightbulb wrote:

      149.12.7.137 wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:

      Unnamed Field Marshall wrote:


      Syncrilibrium wrote:

      149.12.7.137 wrote: Its not that. If you can tell Cortana "upgraded" his armour and his *ahem* "firmware" while he was sleeping to look more like a remiscent of the old Mk.IV armour they used to use.

      That's what I thought of the new helmet too when I first saw it.
      Halo-4-forward-unto-dawn-master-chief
      The Mk. IV was the model they used in Halo Wars. The visor was smaller and the helmet was more boxy. The parts also seem transposable rather than fixed; but it was never proven.
      Certain SPARTAN-IIs had different variants of the Mk. IV armor. That was Master Chief's Mk. IV armor, or at least one of 'em.
      Look i DIDNT make this up. i actually read it up somewhere that 343 said that but im not sure exactly where. And even with that im sure that the armour wont look like a Ferrari anymore because the old Ferrari armour was banged up fighting in Halo 2, falling from orbit at the begining of Halo 3 and fighting throughout Halo 3 as well. So i think Cortana did him a favour by fixing up his armour a bit with scraps fomr around Forward Unto Dawn during the years he was asleep
      How exactly would she have done that?
      Forward Unto Dawn took place before the events of the original Halo trilogy. This is isn't during/after Halo 4. xD

      Nah man, im talking about the part when it shows Cortana on Forward Unto Dawn and she's all worried looking. Its not the Corbulo Academy part

      The segments of the Forward Unto Dawn series where Master Chief's in cryo with Cortana speaking to herself were "flashforwards" (opposite of flashback) of the duo's whereabouts after the events of Halo 3. Master Chief's armor in those segments is 343i's iteration of the Mk. VI armor.

      Whether or not it's the same Mk. VI from the original trilogy reimagined solely for artistic purposes or an upgraded Mk. VI by Cortana after Halo 3 has been a topic of debate for sometime now. :-)

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    • It's good to know that out of everything Halo 4 had to offer, we are debating about John-117's helmet. Both helmets look fine in my opinion, it's just 343 did some minor changes that's all. 343 didn't get rid of our beloved master chief, that just made some artistic design changes. 

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    • thats a ignorant comment if ive ever seen one. do yourself a favor and see yourself out then

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    • Not really an ignorant comment thank you. I'm just stating my opinion, in a fourm, that's all. The helmet has minor changes but that nothing that is going to cause me to lose my mind. Like I said, both helmets look fine. 

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    • 24.151.25.191 wrote:
      thats a ignorant comment if ive ever seen one. do yourself a favor and see yourself out then

      How is that ignorant? He is stating EXACTLY whaat 343i did and your just looking at it in a fanboy-esque/343i hating way. Its just a plain fact and if you compare both of them togther you will see it this way

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    • 24.151.25.191 wrote:
      thats a ignorant comment if ive ever seen one. do yourself a favor and see yourself out then

      That's a grammar-lacking comment if I've ever seen one. Do yourself a favor and abdicate your single-minded thinking like a bacchanal and see yourself out.

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    • come on, the new helmets not that bad! its a whole lot better looking than most of the mp ones, some of which seem to have skulls, teeth, or faces on them. or  have odd visor designs.

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    • 24.151.25.191 wrote:
      It looks a lot fatter and rounder, paired with how ugly the front of the helmet looks in general. I took a look at the artbook for the concept art behind Halo 4 - the other designs for Master Chief looked amazing! What happened to his iconic look? It may be a cool helmet to some, but Master Chief doesn't look like Master Chief anymore.

      The armor looks great, but the helmet's a huge turnoff. Seeing how that helmet looked in the Halo 5 teaser also pained me. I hope 343i makes some kind of canonical excuse to change his armor; I don't think it's possible go screw the pooch at his helmet twice. I want to feel like I'm playing as John-117 in a sequel to his story, not some cheesy, generic-looking, chubby knockoff.


      Master Chief doesn't look like Master Chief anymore? That's like saying the Mk. 5 helmet didn't look like Master Chief.

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    • Man you guys are nit-picky!

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    • Syncrilibrium wrote:

      72.239.23.25 wrote:

      I don't think 343 was being "lazy" with their design choices for Master Chief's armor.

      The point of my comment wasn't that their design lazy; I was debunking the claims of the new helmet's design looking "more-detailed".


      72.239.23.25 wrote: New designs aren't nescessarily a bad thing

      New designs aren't necessarily a good thing either. But a new design can be for the worse, if it demolishes a character's established portrayal, re-shaping it into something completely different. In this case, the protagonist doesn't even look like the same character.

      Jorge in Halo: Reach was meant to be the "hulking heavyweight" of his team. What if they made him scrawny? Would he be the same character? Master Chief was supposed to be an ordinary SPARTAN-II with a helmet ambiguous in design. His new helmet's design makes him out to be the heavyweight character - a completely different character than the Master Chief of the games and fiction.

      Especially with how the visor's placed on his new helmet, though you may see this as "just nitpicking, it makes Master Chief follow the generic trend aforementioned in one of my earlier comments.

      Mega64 Chin Down, Eyes Up

      Mega64 Chin Down, Eyes Up

      Master-Chief-Halo-4-400x320

      Goodbye, Master Chief; hello, generic cliché.

      That's just like saying Mk. 5 is generic cliche.

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    • 777 Floating Lightbulb wrote:
      I like the halo 3 version a lot better. IMO, the halo 4 one looks clunky and weird.

      I don't understand how its weird.

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:

      It's good to know that out of everything Halo 4 had to offer, we are debating about John-117's helmet.

      Yes. How surprising that some people care about what other's don't.

      DMR4LIFE wrote: The helmet has minor changes but that nothing that is going to cause me to lose my mind.

      The similarities between the two helmets are what's minor. I think my earlier comments touch on this in detail, so no point in wasting battery life to repeat myself.

      A Wikia contributor wrote: Master Chief doesn't look like Master Chief anymore? That's like saying the Mk. 5 helmet didn't look like Master Chief.

      The Mk. VI ended up being Master Chief's established identity; Bungie's correction to their original helmet. Even after Bungie brought back the Mk. V in Halo 3, they made changes with the helmet to make it look cleaner, going for that style they preferred for Master Chief with their Halo titles. Halo 4's helmet strayed away from that. I prefer Bungie's, the creators, aesthetic style. It's what made Halo Halo.

      A Wikia contributor wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:
      Master-Chief-Halo-4-400x320

      Goodbye, Master Chief; hello, generic cliché.

      That's just like saying Mk. 5 is generic cliche.

      You're not even making sense at this point.

      A Wikia contributor wrote: I don't understand how its weird.

      Some do, some don't. Not everyone's a Where's Waldo champion. I did what I could to show the difference. I can't help you anymore than that.



      Believe me, I sincerely wish someone could convince to me that these changes are negligible; I don't enjoy being turned off by this. Albeit, the unfortunate reality is that there is in fact a difference between them, noticeable to a lot of long-time fans, and it goes against what Bungie intended for the character and what some liked about the character.

      Of course some people prefer big and clunky, so they think Master Chief actually looks better now, but then there's others who prefer what Master Chief was supposed to look like, as intended by his creators. I'm one of them. Some people notice the changes, some people don't. Still, I'm not the only one who notices and dislikes them.

      Thanks for reviving this thread, by the way. I almost forgot about it! I was going to move forward and make another, less controversial thread.

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    • In fact, I actually created this thread in hopes that someone could convince me, yet to no avail. 343i aren't likely to correct this, so it's either "deal with it" or remain unhappy. I'm aware of this.

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    • Syncrilibrium wrote:
      In fact, I actually created this thread in hopes that someone could convince me, yet to no avail. 343i aren't likely to correct this, so it's either "deal with it" or remain unhappy. I'm aware of this.

      Convince you? The helmets like almost the same. It's not a big deal bro. 

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:
      In fact, I actually created this thread in hopes that someone could convince me, yet to no avail. 343i aren't likely to correct this, so it's either "deal with it" or remain unhappy. I'm aware of this.

      Convince you? The helmets like almost the same. It's not a big deal bro. 

      No, it's not a big deal, but it's a deal nevertheless. If you checked out any of the two links I posted in that long comment of mine, they say a lot.

      As for the differences, I noted them all in this thread already. I can't offer much else but 'kudos' (and maybe a funny gif or something) to the one who can show me a picture that proves me wrong.

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    • The helmets do look different though, there is no denying that. I'm just stating that the helmets being different is not as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be. Sure, the masks are different, but it's still the same John-117 either way. Maybe someone should prove to me having SLIGHTLY different masks changes everything we've come to know about John. 

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:

      The helmets do look different though, there is no denying that. I'm just stating that the helmets being different is not as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be.

      Nobody's making it out to be anymore than it already is. If you're not interested in this topic, I ask respectfully, what exactly is your business here? Just because you don't care, doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't either. It's that mentality that a partisan fanboy of a particular gaming system goes by when claiming that feats exclusive to another platform others appreciate are irrelevant, just because he's not into them.

      Everyone has an opinion. This is my opinion. Nobody's offing themselves over this.
      DMR4LIFE wrote: Maybe someone should prove to me having SLIGHTLY different masks changes everything we've come to know about John.

      Then start your own thread. This one doesn't revolve around you. If you've no care for this stuff, I'm not pushing you to be here. I'm just looking for someone who does care enough to actually contribute to the thread.

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    • The point of a forum is to state opinions. My opinion, weither you agree with it or not is the helmets look basically the same. The topic asked "What happened to his iconic look?" The answer is nothing, he still looks like John-117. He doesn't look chessy, generic, or chubby, he looks like a Spartan. I didn't play Halo 4 and ask myself "Who is this? This can't be John, look at [insert something about how is helmet is different]." No, I knew right off the bat this was John-117 and I thought he looked fine in his helmet and armor. The details were nice and the quailty of the pixels was good. 343 just gave Halo their own spin, because news flash, they are not Bungie. If we sit here and constantly compare Bungie and 343, they Halo will never be go again because they are not the same. Aslong as I have an opinion, I can comment on any forum I choose. And fyi, I am contributing to this topic, by proving that out of everything of Halo 4, we are here, complaining about how is helmet is slightly different. Good day, and I can't wait to comment here, and anywhere else I please. 

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote: The point of a forum is to state opinions. My opinion, weither you agree with it or not is the helmets look basically the same. The topic asked "What happened to his iconic look?" The answer is nothing, he still looks like John-117. He doesn't look chessy, generic, or chubby, he looks like a Spartan. I didn't play Halo 4 and ask myself "Who is this? This can't be John, look at [insert something about how is helmet is different]." No, I knew right off the bat this was John-117 and I thought he looked fine in his helmet and armor. The details were nice and the quailty of the pixels was good. 343 just gave Halo their own spin, because news flash, they are not Bungie. If we sit here and constantly compare Bungie and 343, they Halo will never be go again because they are not the same. Aslong as I have an opinion, I can comment on any forum I choose. And fyi, I am contributing to this topic, by proving that out of everything of Halo 4, we are here, complaining about how is helmet is slightly different. Good day, and I can't wait to comment here, and anywhere else I please. 

      That was awfully abrupt. Forgive me, I just find it funny for you to go off on a tangent about your right to express your opinion that another's opinion isn't "worthy enough" to be expressed? Oh poor you - you're the victim here, right?

      You weren't contributing to the thread; the only comments of yours relevant to the thread were the few where you weren't dismissing this thread as irrelevant simply because you weren't interested. Had you kept that up instead, I wouldn't have reminded you simply that you had the option to not bother with something "unworthy of your time".

      If you came here just to put down others' opinion, who are you to act as if your right to expressing opinion is being inflicted? That's a backwards way of thinking. Practice what you preach, friend. Good day to you. :)

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    • I'm not putting anyone down, I have not slandered anyone, and I never said I was a victim. My opinion is worth just as much as anyone elses. It's a shame that you think I hold myself to some higher degree and that I don't "practice what I preach." I'm not putting anyone down. I don't see how saying that John hasn't lost his iconic look or that is helmelt looks fine is not contributing to the forum. Now, hopefully we can stop with this pointless arguing back and forth and get back on the real topic, weither Master Cheif's helment makes him look "chessy, generic-looking, chubby knockoff." In my personal opinion (which is no better then anyone elses) he is not a knockoff, his helmet is just slighty larger but not chubby. He is still John-117, the hero of the Halo universe who kills Covies for breakfast. And one more thing, this is me not going off on a tangent, considering I am pretty chill typing all of these up and replying to posts. The "good day to you" was sincere. 

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    • I can vouch for the user above me

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    • You guys are so nit-picky its not even funny!

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    • and i thought GEEWUNNERs were bad...

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    • Hypocrites, all of them.

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    • who, the GEEWUNNERS, or the people on this page?

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:
      I'm not putting anyone down, I have not slandered anyone, and I never said I was a victim. My opinion is worth just as much as anyone elses. It's a shame that you think I hold myself to some higher degree and that I don't "practice what I preach." I'm not putting anyone down. I don't see how saying that John hasn't lost his iconic look or that is helmelt looks fine is not contributing to the forum. Now, hopefully we can stop with this pointless arguing back and forth and get back on the real topic, weither Master Cheif's helment makes him look "chessy, generic-looking, chubby knockoff." In my personal opinion (which is no better then anyone elses) he is not a knockoff, his helmet is just slighty larger but not chubby. He is still John-117, the hero of the Halo universe who kills Covies for breakfast. And one more thing, this is me not going off on a tangent, considering I am pretty chill typing all of these up and replying to posts. The "good day to you" was sincere. 


      About your last sentence - so was mine, but I honestly didn't think yours were...thank you for the respect, guy. I was actually hoping you wouldn't take my comment as a personal attack; I was just touching on what you were saying about this topic.


      I didn't find the whole "it's good to know that out of everything Halo 4 had to offer, we are debating about John-117's helmet" bit necessary. It was degrading the topic by implying it wasn't worth discussing about. I'd love to get into better detail about all this, but I'm using a rather outdated computer in replacement for my laptop that's getting repaired. It's so stressful to type with this. I can't even paragraph my sentences anymore! This thing's trippy. I'll get back to you tomorrow.

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    • Dinosaur1995 wrote:
      and i thought GEEWUNNERs were bad...


      That's one way to state your impudence towards fan opinion. At least I didn't petition the White House over this like that gathering of Devil May Cry fans.

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    • Unnamed Field Marshall wrote:
      Hypocrites, all of them.


      Sure, why not.

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    • Syncrilibrium wrote:
      Dinosaur1995 wrote:
      and i thought GEEWUNNERs were bad...

      That's one way to state your impudence towards fan opinion. At least I didn't petition the White House over this like that gathering of Devil May Cry fans.

      "impudence toward fan opinion"?

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    • Syncrilibrium wrote:

      Xili Gar wrote:

      I still get the impression that you're just pissed at 343 for making Chief look like he's hanging his head, rather than proudly nose-up. That's what I understood from all this, it's not about the helmet, it's about how he holds his head under that helmet. You keep referring back to the concept art which is practically the same as the one in Halo 4, except he's looking up rather than down.

      How did you miss all these pictures I've posted on this thread? Look this direction, please?

      Screenshot (67)

      No angle. Just looking straight ahead.

      Halo-Xbox-One

      "Proudly nose-up"

      Smgs

      "Hanging his head"

      You're just being a nit-picky downer!

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    • Lol, we can't help it if we are nit-picky. 

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    • Specifically about the helmet then: I can't say I'm too pleased with it. I prefer previous versions. The change itself is nothing game-breaking, since the whole armor design has changed with the helmet, but it could have been better. I'm hoping they will change it using the same "hur dur new armor" excuse like Bungie has before. The design of the helmet itself doesn't feel lazy, just... muddied. Like there were too many artists involved with the making of it, which resulted in a bland/conflicted design.

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    • Dinosaur1995 wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:
      Dinosaur1995 wrote:
      and i thought GEEWUNNERs were bad...

      That's one way to state your impudence towards fan opinion. At least I didn't petition the White House over this like that gathering of Devil May Cry fans.

      "impudence toward fan opinion"?

      Yes, that is what I said. Good job.

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    • 70.65.134.144 wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:

      Xili Gar wrote:

      I still get the impression that you're just pissed at 343 for making Chief look like he's hanging his head, rather than proudly nose-up. That's what I understood from all this, it's not about the helmet, it's about how he holds his head under that helmet. You keep referring back to the concept art which is practically the same as the one in Halo 4, except he's looking up rather than down.

      How did you miss all these pictures I've posted on this thread? Look this direction, please?

      Screenshot (67)

      No angle. Just looking straight ahead.

      Halo-Xbox-One

      "Proudly nose-up"

      Smgs

      "Hanging his head"

      You're just being a nit-picky downer!

      Like everyone else discussing about things they love. Sorry for being human.

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote: Lol, we can't help it if we are nit-picky. 

      True. Good thing we're not seeing any nit-picking in this thread.

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    • SgtSmoothy wrote: Specifically about the helmet then: I can't say I'm too pleased with it. I prefer previous versions. The change itself is nothing game-breaking, since the whole armor design has changed with the helmet, but it could have been better. I'm hoping they will change it using the same "hur dur new armor" excuse like Bungie has before. The design of the helmet itself doesn't feel lazy, just... muddied. Like there were too many artists involved with the making of it, which resulted in a bland/conflicted design.

      It's not game-breaking, but it is a bit unappealing to me. But yes, I concur with your comment.

      Thank you for the on-topic, constructive comment.

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    • Syncrilibrium wrote:

      SgtSmoothy wrote: Specifically about the helmet then: I can't say I'm too pleased with it. I prefer previous versions. The change itself is nothing game-breaking, since the whole armor design has changed with the helmet, but it could have been better. I'm hoping they will change it using the same "hur dur new armor" excuse like Bungie has before. The design of the helmet itself doesn't feel lazy, just... muddied. Like there were too many artists involved with the making of it, which resulted in a bland/conflicted design.

      It's not game-breaking, but it is a bit unappealing to me. But yes, I concur with your comment.

      Thank you for the on-topic, constructive comment.

      So here is a question I have for you, for next Halo in the Reclaimer Saga, what would you like 343 to do with John's armor (inlcuding helmet)? 

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:
      Syncrilibrium wrote:

      SgtSmoothy wrote: Specifically about the helmet then: I can't say I'm too pleased with it. I prefer previous versions. The change itself is nothing game-breaking, since the whole armor design has changed with the helmet, but it could have been better. I'm hoping they will change it using the same "hur dur new armor" excuse like Bungie has before. The design of the helmet itself doesn't feel lazy, just... muddied. Like there were too many artists involved with the making of it, which resulted in a bland/conflicted design.

      It's not game-breaking, but it is a bit unappealing to me. But yes, I concur with your comment.

      Thank you for the on-topic, constructive comment.

      So here is a question I have for you, for next Halo in the Reclaimer Saga, what would you like 343 to do with John's armor (inlcuding helmet)? 

      Well, to address John's armor, other elements and designs need to be addressed as well. To start, I would like them to... reevaluate their color palette. One of the issues I had with Halo 4 was how the Covenant and how the Prometheans looked. While I liked the designs themselves, the overall tone and color of the game made them bland and took further steps to make sure the Master Chief stood out even less. Halo 4 seemed to suffer from a bit of Call of Duty syndrome (as far as the "realistic" color choices) Halo is great because it is a sci-fi shooter that gives off a very high-future sort of feel with bright color palettes.

      Halo: Reach closed the gap a little more between real-world and sci-fi. But the tone of the game was not full-on "realistic" and girtty colors. It was perfect.

      Now steering back on topic, Halo 4 Master Chief's armor has changed dramatically. What it manages to convey very well though is the weight of his armor, which thuds loudly every step he takes. Very cool. However, 343 wanted to stamp their own style on the iconic armor... by completely changing it. There are very few things in the design reminiscent of the Halo 3 armor.

      So, to actually answer your question, (at least for the Master Chief) I would like 343 to try and take us back to the look achieved in Halo 3. Somewhere in the backs of our minds, we recognize vague shapes left in the design from what Halo 3 armor established. While there is certainly greater detail in the armor itself, most of it is lost with the darker hues of color. (same with everything else in the game).

      What I want 343 to do is at least leave greater hints and traces of that armor to provoke a sense of nostalgia. With leaps in graphics, why not add more detail? Well, because there is such a thing as too much. I understand 343's desire to give it their own flare, and it makes sense with the beginning of a new saga under a new company. But comparing armor images from Halo 1 through 4, it looks like they tried to take all of the previous armors and mash them together... whereas it might have been more effective to pick one and roll with that, adding their own little touches to it.

      As for the helmet specifically, the issue is that it was made bulkier to match the rest of the armor, but then the visor was shrinked. It encroached on an established design for the past 3 games. I actually like the idea of the bulkier armor to convey its weight and power. There are also simple additions that I really like (the armored fingers, more segmented plating) but it all needs to be reigned in a little. For the concept art, they went through several periods of revisions and then another one of refinement. I think a few more sessions of refinement are nescessary before next release.

      TL;DR - Less conflicted/choppy design. Less bulky helmet.

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    • Syncrilibrium wrote:

      Dinosaur1995 wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:
      Dinosaur1995 wrote:
      and i thought GEEWUNNERs were bad...

      That's one way to state your impudence towards fan opinion. At least I didn't petition the White House over this like that gathering of Devil May Cry fans.
      "impudence toward fan opinion"?
      Yes, that is what I said. Good job.

      Obviously, someone thinks too high of themself.

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    • IMO, while the new helmet looks different from the older one, the change looks minor, and I find the newer version to look much nicer.

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    • I think the h3 visor looks too tall, it dosnt seem to offer the user much protection. surly a slit (scout) or t-visor (clone trooper) would have been structurally better? the h3 visor pretty much screams "please shot here!".

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    • The people who are still complaining about the new design deserve to have been on Reach when it was getting glassed(and not with Halsey and rest underground but the boiling hot melting surface).

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    • 149.12.15.1 wrote:
      The people who are still complaining about the new design deserve to have been on Reach when it was getting glassed(and not with Halsey and rest underground but the boiling hot melting surface).

      Its all because 343 is taking their first shot shot at an independant game and everyone is complaining about little things, like not reading the books which clearly explain the changes in his armor- "nanotech", as well as Cortana.

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    • Silverstreak809 wrote:
      149.12.15.1 wrote:
      The people who are still complaining about the new design deserve to have been on Reach when it was getting glassed(and not with Halsey and rest underground but the boiling hot melting surface).
      Its all because 343 is taking their first shot shot at an independant game and everyone is complaining about little things, like not reading the books which clearly explain the changes in his armor- "nanotech", as well as Cortana.

      i concur with all measure

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    • I don't really mind the helmet changes but the visor is just horrible. Firstly, they changed the classic gold to the reddish orange introduced in Reach... Worst change they could have done. Then, the pattern on the visor. That was possibly the most iconic thing about the Chief's helmet, so naturally, 343 just scrapped it, instantly.

      It doesn't even make canonical sense, because the Mk. VII was the one with the nanobots installed, not the Mk VI. And even if we overlook the fact that there were no nanobots able to make the change, if these non-existent nanobots were improving his armour, wouldn't they think to repair the massive dent on his chest first?

      Worst of all, I think I recall (not certain) seeing a Halo 4 ViDoc saying that the change was purely graphical thus meaning that the armour did not change between Halo 3 and 4. And this means... Halo 2 Anniversary and Halo 3 Anniversary (if it ever comes) will use the new armour.. That is, if my memory serves me well. Let's hope that it doesn't.

      As for the rest of the armour, don't even get me started. The new chest and shoulder pieces are just... no. 343 changed everything with no reason whatsoever, and I think we should tell them that we sure as hell don't like it.

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    • -Nanobots don't repair visual damage

      -And just because a few people don't want anything to do with H4 because they changed MC's armor, dosen't mean they can change it back. Why don't you love Halo for being Halo and hope 343 makes some good choices in the future.

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    • Dab1998 wrote: I don't really mind the helmet changes but the visor is just horrible. Firstly, they changed the classic gold to the reddish orange introduced in Reach... Worst change they could have done. Then, the pattern on the visor. That was possibly the most iconic thing about the Chief's helmet, so naturally, 343 just scrapped it, instantly.

      It doesn't even make canonical sense, because the Mk. VII was the one with the nanobots installed, not the Mk VI. And even if we overlook the fact that there were no nanobots able to make the change, if these non-existent nanobots were improving his armour, wouldn't they think to repair the massive dent on his chest first?

      Worst of all, I think I recall (not certain) seeing a Halo 4 ViDoc saying that the change was purely graphical thus meaning that the armour did not change between Halo 3 and 4. And this means... Halo 2 Anniversary and Halo 3 Anniversary (if it ever comes) will use the new armour.. That is, if my memory serves me well. Let's hope that it doesn't.

      As for the rest of the armour, don't even get me started. The new chest and shoulder pieces are just... no. 343 changed everything with no reason whatsoever, and I think we should tell them that we sure as hell don't like it.

      honestly, I like the H4 look over the H3 armor. it has the feel of the mark-v

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    • They looked fine to me either way. Yeah they looked different but I didn't freak out cause 343i decided to make some changes. 

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    • 343i simply hasn't found the equilibrium between traditiona and groundbreaking yet. Give them time to unravel.

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    • Silverstreak809 wrote:
      -Nanobots don't repair visual damage

      -And just because a few people don't want anything to do with H4 because they changed MC's armor, dosen't mean they can change it back. Why don't you love Halo for being Halo and hope 343 makes some good choices in the future.

      Who said it was visual damage?  There are quite a lot of things the chief could do in Halo 2 that he couldn't in Halo 3/4.

      I like Halo 3's armour better, what's the problem with that? Also, I do love Halo for what it is, but 343 seems determined to part it from that. Small changes like the armour (chief and AIs), the redesigning of all the weapons to be more sci-fi etc are the ones that just make Halo 4 feel a little less Halo than the rest. Halo has always been special because it was a sci-fi that you could be immersed in and relate to really easily (visiting 20th century structures on Earth, realistic looking weapons etc), but Halo 4 had none of that.

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    • HA NO ONE COMPLINED THIS MUCH WHEN THE ARBITER WENT FROM SILVER TO GOLD AND GOT A FLASHLIGHT DID THEY?!  it's better looking graphics that's all it is so stop *female canine*ing about it and love halo for not being halo and not COD.

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    • Brenton239 wrote:
      HA NO ONE COMPLINED THIS MUCH WHEN THE ARBITER WENT FROM SILVER TO GOLD AND GOT A FLASHLIGHT DID THEY?!  it's better looking graphics that's all it is so stop *female canine*ing about it and love halo for not being halo and not COD.

      Actually, he stayed the same colour but the updating lighting made him look gold. They didn't add much, just mandible guards and a torch, whereas 343 made a ton of unneeded changes to the Chief's armour, making it nearly completely different. Also, it isn't just better graphics, they even said that they redesigned chief from the ground up.

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    • Halo 4 still felt like Halo. Sure, 343i changed somethings but they didn't flip the world on it's head. I feel like people are just over reacting and looking for any excuse to blame 343i for ruining "their Halo". Was Halo 4 my favorite Halo? No. Was it still a fun game to play and a good game on it's own? Yes. 

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    • I still think his new armor looks better than H2/3, he actually looks like he could move more comfortably in his H4 set than the more boxy looking first 3.

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:
      Halo 4 still felt like Halo. Sure, 343i changed somethings but they didn't flip the world on it's head. I feel like people are just over reacting and looking for any excuse to blame 343i for ruining "their Halo". Was Halo 4 my favorite Halo? No. Was it still a fun game to play and a good game on it's own? Yes. 

      It's opinion I guess, but here's my view: It's a brilliant game, but not a brilliant Halo game. It just didn't feel like I think it should've. Still, that doesn't mean I'm not extremely excited for what Halo 5/Halo Xbox One has in store for us.

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    • yeah i know pople dont like it because bungie didnt make it how long did it take bungie to give us a pilican? 8 years even then it was a crappy easter egg that if you flew through a building you died and you couldnt even see were you were shooting whith the chain gun! how long did it take 343? there first game. my point is stop blameing the new kid on the block for turning your naborughhood into the somme. 343 did a great job they showed us what a forerunner looked like they gave us a new enemy (P.s the didact is not dead if i am right i get braging rights for a year because no one beleaves me) the gave us the mantis the pelican, stickey detanator, saw, rail gun. the list goes on. all in all great game P.s no time to check spelling going to get more points for spartan assault.

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    • From what I heard bungee dropped the banner, and all 343 wanted to do was pick it back up. But I don't now.

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    • I heard that they were planning on making Destiny for a while but didn't have the man-power to make Halo 4 and Destiny, so they signed Halo over to 343.

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    • makes cents.

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    • 25 cents, to be precise.

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    • Yep:)

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    • Silverstreak809 wrote:
      I heard that they were planning on making Destiny for a while but didn't have the man-power to make Halo 4 and Destiny, so they signed Halo over to 343.

      Nah, Bungie didnt want to make Halo anymore from what i can tell and 343i is now making it after they sold it off to Microsoft.

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    • they were going to make h4, but made reach instead.

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    • Dinosaur1995 wrote:
      they were going to make h4, but made reach instead.

      and thank primordail they did id hate to think how bungie would have stuffed up halo 4s story LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO REACH halsey on first name baises with S 3s? kat getting killed with 1 shot dispite haveing the armor and she should have had her shields up to stop radiaion poison.

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    • its a scary though how a bungie h4 would have been...

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    • 93.186.157.139 wrote:
      Silverstreak809 wrote:
      I heard that they were planning on making Destiny for a while but didn't have the man-power to make Halo 4 and Destiny, so they signed Halo over to 343.
      Nah, Bungie didnt want to make Halo anymore from what i can tell and 343i is now making it after they sold it off to Microsoft.

      Actually, they were planning on making Destiny back during Halo's development. It'd been a consideration since back around 2008, and the engine they're using is the same one as from Reach. They essentially made Reach as a test for Destiny, but it is true that they left Halo because they were bored of making it.

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    • how could someone be bored of halo!?!

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    • Dinosaur1995 wrote: how could someone be bored of halo!?!

      I know some one who got board with halo reach, and when I came over to see what went wrong, he and I played 2 againced the covenant in fire fight, and he set Spartan settings to invulnerable and maxed out how much damage gets dealt, and so I just cashely walked up to the covenant solders and smacked them trying to be as dramatically boaring as I can, said no wonder you got board, and went home.

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    • oh

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:

      Dinosaur1995 wrote: how could someone be bored of halo!?!

      I know some one who got board with halo reach, and when I came over to see what went wrong, he and I played 2 againced the covenant in fire fight, and he set Spartan settings to invulnerable and maxed out how much damage gets dealt, and so I just cashely walked up to the covenant solders and smacked them trying to be as dramatically boaring as I can, said no wonder you got board, and went home.

      That's just sad. 

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    • yes it is

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    • Savages get all their meat at the store where nothing ever fights back and you accomplishing nothing don't really deserve to eat it. Why can't they just be civilized and hunt?

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    • what?

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    • Dinosaur1995 wrote: what?

      I said with out allegory/metaphor/figurivity that the game set so that you can win with out using any skill at all isn't really playing the game anymore now is it?

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    • no its not

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    • uh oh what have i done ah well at least no one is *female canine*ing about johns new armour but to set it strate i have just found out it has nonno tech so there they must have just rebuilt it come one 4 years is way long enough to do it.

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    • Dinosaur1995 wrote:
      how could someone be bored of halo!?!

      That was my first reaction to why they left too xD

      Brenton239 wrote:
      uh oh what have i done ah well at least no one is *female canine*ing about johns new armour but to set it strate i have just found out it has nonno tech so there they must have just rebuilt it come one 4 years is way long enough to do it.

      It didn't have nanobots, the Mark VII did.

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    • Dab1998 wrote:

      Dinosaur1995 wrote:
      how could someone be bored of halo!?!

      That was my first reaction to why they left too xD

      Brenton239 wrote:
      uh oh what have i done ah well at least no one is *female canine*ing about johns new armour but to set it strate i have just found out it has nonno tech so there they must have just rebuilt it come one 4 years is way long enough to do it.

      It didn't have nanobots, the Mark VII did.

      he did not say nanno bot he said nanno tec.

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:

      Dab1998 wrote:

      he did not say nanno bot he said nanno tec.

      The Mk VI had no nano tech in it either.

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    • God this argument is retarded. doesnt matter what his helmet looks like, as long as they story is accurate and the gameplay stays away from CoD. Personally, I like the new helmets anyways.

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    • Dab1998 wrote:
      Dinosaur1995 wrote:
      how could someone be bored of halo!?!
      That was my first reaction to why they left too xD


      Brenton239 wrote:
      uh oh what have i done ah well at least no one is *female canine*ing about johns new armour but to set it strate i have just found out it has nonno tech so there they must have just rebuilt it come one 4 years is way long enough to do it.
      It didn't have nanobots, the Mark VII did.

      no it was said before naomi got her Mk 7

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    • Syncrilibrium wrote:

      70.65.134.144 wrote:

      Syncrilibrium wrote:

      Xili Gar wrote:

      I still get the impression that you're just pissed at 343 for making Chief look like he's hanging his head, rather than proudly nose-up. That's what I understood from all this, it's not about the helmet, it's about how he holds his head under that helmet. You keep referring back to the concept art which is practically the same as the one in Halo 4, except he's looking up rather than down.

      How did you miss all these pictures I've posted on this thread? Look this direction, please?

      Screenshot (67)

      No angle. Just looking straight ahead.

      Halo-Xbox-One

      "Proudly nose-up"

      Smgs

      "Hanging his head"

      You're just being a nit-picky downer!
      Like everyone else discussing about things they love. Sorry for being human.

      Yeah, well human beings suck!

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    • Brenton239 wrote:
      Dab1998 wrote:
      Dinosaur1995 wrote:
      how could someone be bored of halo!?!
      That was my first reaction to why they left too xD


      Brenton239 wrote:
      uh oh what have i done ah well at least no one is *female canine*ing about johns new armour but to set it strate i have just found out it has nonno tech so there they must have just rebuilt it come one 4 years is way long enough to do it.
      It didn't have nanobots, the Mark VII did.
      no it was said before naomi got her Mk 7

      Where does it say that?

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    • Where does it say that?

      glasslands about half way thought the book. and yes humas suck evey body knows sergals are more cool and awsome.

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    • His new helmet is a lot better.

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    • 199.216.164.10 wrote: His new helmet is a lot better.

      I agree.

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    • me too

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    • if I can go to bed wearing one pair of underwear and wake up wearing a different pair, why can't the master chief get in his hyper sleep chamber in 1 helmet and come out with a new one?... wait... WHAT??????

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    • lol if you thought that mask looked ugly, wait until you see his new armor in the picture for halo 5 guardians its worse

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    • 68.191.50.54 wrote:
      lol if you thought that mask looked ugly, wait until you see his new armor in the picture for halo 5 guardians its worse

      ok this is getting old can you lot stop female canineing about it already?!?

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    • 68.191.50.54 wrote:
      lol if you thought that mask looked ugly, wait until you see his new armor in the picture for halo 5 guardians its worse

      His armour is the same in the Guardians picture (master chief is the one on the bottom, the one on the top is a new character)

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    • Personally, I like the Halo 4 helmet better (but what happened to green?). Maybe the armor got deformed in cryo (too much cryo) or space used its mystical killing powers to deform Cheif's armor with great force. That's what I think.

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    • Spartan John-A172 wrote: I agreed about how the should explain the changes to the armor

      In the book Glasslands they explain that MJOLNIR is made by microtech which repairs/upgrades itself over time.
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    • 184.61.38.240 wrote:

      Spartan John-A172 wrote: I agreed about how the should explain the changes to the armor

      In the book Glasslands they explain that MJOLNIR is made by microtech which repairs/upgrades itself over time.

      Yes, but logic dictates that it would fix the massive dent in his chest first rather than completely overhaul his armour without fixing it...

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    • Dab1998 wrote:
      184.61.38.240 wrote:

      Spartan John-A172 wrote: I agreed about how the should explain the changes to the armor

      In the book Glasslands they explain that MJOLNIR is made by microtech which repairs/upgrades itself over time.
      Yes, but logic dictates that it would fix the massive dent in his chest first rather than completely overhaul his armour without fixing it...

      oh maybe IT WAS TO BIG TO FIX?!? and do you see and wireing in there maybe it is fixed and just left the dent.

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    • Self upgrading armor???? isn't that tire 1?

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Self upgrading armor???? isn't that tire 1?

      I think it's supposed to be. And 2552 humans are only teir 2, so they wouldn't have been able to create it.

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    • Dab1998 wrote:
      Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Self upgrading armor???? isn't that tire 1?
      I think it's supposed to be. And 2552 humans are only teir 2, so they wouldn't have been able to create it.

      well, they can.

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    • Guess what everyone...                     I don't give a shit.

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    • omg halo 5 look like everything had change on master chief

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    • halo 5                                                                           iiiiiiiiiiiiiissssssssssssssssssssssss  sooooo cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

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    • 198.45.253.199 wrote:
      halo 5                                                                           iiiiiiiiiiiiiissssssssssssssssssssssss  sooooo cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

      really cool

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    • 198.45.253.199 wrote:
      omg halo 5 look like everything had change on master chief

      Chief looks exactly the same in it...

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    • Again, the person on the bottom is MC. The one on the top looks like something from Titanfall with a Battle Rifle

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    • Silverstreak809 wrote:
      Again, the person on the bottom is MC. The one on the top looks like something from Titanfall with a Battle Rifle

      Yup. It better not be a Titanfall-Halo crossover lol

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    • Dab1998 wrote:

      Silverstreak809 wrote:
      Again, the person on the bottom is MC. The one on the top looks like something from Titanfall with a Battle Rifle

      Yup. It better not be a Titanfall-Halo crossover lol

      no! that would be as bad as a halo-COD cros- wait, Halo 4 already came out! lol

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    • A halo-cod crossoverrrrr:P:P:P:P:P:P:P

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote: A halo-cod crossoverrrrr:P:P:P:P:P:P:P

      your a traitor stars! I saw what you and commando said abut me!

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    • Did anyone mention my name?

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    • Commando Trooper wrote: Did anyone mention my name?

      heretic! how could you do that to me!?

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    • What?!

      I didn't say anything bad about you!

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    • go to all about elites...

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    • I know but saying that you don't like dinosaurs isn't a bad thing!

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    • Commando Trooper wrote: I know but saying that you don't like dinosaurs isn't a bad thing!

      to me it is, its like saying you don't like odsts.

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    • Oh, sorry then. I didn't want to hurt your feelings. STARS, you should apologise too.

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    • Commando Trooper wrote: Oh, sorry then. I didn't want to hurt your feelings. STARS, you should apologise too.

      its ok, I forgive you.

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    • STARS is gone... *sniff, sniff*

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    • waaaaa!!!!

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    • He will be remembered as the greatest Kig-Yar in the galaxy...

      (But not on the entire universe! *snickering*)

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    • ya

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    • Uh, what if he returns, and sees these comments about him?! I guess we're doomed!

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    • Commando Trooper wrote: STARS is gone... *sniff, sniff*

      hold on, just busy, i'll apologies when I finish reading the chapter where dino got angry.

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    • So, in what chapter of the book "The Adventures of Dino and Trooper" are you on?

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    • Hoping some one starts a thread where we talk about the differences in game play.

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    • Why can't you start it?

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    • Because every time I start a thread a admin deletes it and don't even tell me how close I got to making one they won't. So I'm shy.

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    • do it, i'll see you there!

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Because every time I start a thread a admin deletes it and don't even tell me how close I got to making one they won't. So I'm shy.

      Why do they delete it?! Bastards!

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    • I don't know, I gave up trying months ago.

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    • What was your last thread about?

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    • don't remember. But I prefer to persway others to do my bidding when I want to start one, you don't want this to be the first time it don't work do you?

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    • It seems that some people in this wiki don't like you. I've seen some of your replies getting removed.

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    • Gotta go now. Bye.

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    • Commando Trooper wrote: It seems that some people in this wiki don't like you. I've seen some of your replies getting removed.

      Show me.

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    • I know I said I gotta go, but I'll post one last comment.

      I don't remember but it was in a thread like the one "Your Halo 5 vehicle ideas" in wich you had to come up with ideas. And in that thread, pretty much all of your comments were removed for unknown reasons.

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:

      Commando Trooper wrote: It seems that some people in this wiki don't like you. I've seen some of your replies getting removed.

      Show me.

      Indeed, I've been in business a long, long, long time, and it has taught me quit a bit. When on forums people decide they don't like you, of cores they don't want to tell you, they don't want you to know, they want you to get banned and not even know why you where. In order to survive this cowardly attack, you must find out what they are plotting, before they cease their chance to strike. It will not be tolerated, not this time!

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    • Commando Trooper wrote: I know I said I gotta go, but I'll post one last comment.

      I don't remember but it was in a thread like the one "Your Halo 5 vehicle ideas" in wich you had to come up with ideas. And in that thread, pretty much all of your comments were removed for unknown reasons.

      Ah yes, their was a -60% tolerance kind of person their as I recall. That's only 1 suspect, but more likely it was some one who don't like my vehicles, and just hope not to see them in the next game.

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    • Oh I remember! It's the "Possible Halo 5 Plot" thread! Go check it out! All of your comments have been removed!

      GTG! Bye!

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    • Hmmm, this is worse then I thought.

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    • Commando Trooper wrote: Oh I remember! It's the "Possible Halo 5 Plot" thread! Go check it out! All of your comments have been removed!

      GTG! Bye!

      • sniff* bye...
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    • Ah this thread? http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:336620 only 1 comment was removed that was mine out of either not understanding it or not liking it, the other one I removed after deciding I don't want to comment their at all because I did not like the reply. I don't really care about that one. Most of my deleted threads are in fact deleted by me because I did not like them. I'll surch for more, their very well may still be a threat.

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    • you have a stalker...

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    • Dinosaur1995 wrote: you have a stalker...

      One thing I don't do often, but times like these call for it. I have noticed, a lot of people who clam to not like me, tend to say stuff like this. "Uhhh, you do know that the kig-yar are just a mythological species from a sires of scifi stories don't you?" If I ever saw one, that their, is a massive face palm activation device. No people, I'm not just some drugged up lunatic having a delusion, I'm following a tradition that's been around, FOR THOSANDS OF YEARS!!!! Yet many, don't seam to have heard of it. Its called the theater tradition. In this cultural tradition their are many rules. 1: you do not break character, ever! and you do not let the audience be a distraction. 2: stay acuity as possible, as much as possible behave as your character dose in canon. Like when they made Jurassic park, what do they want? real, living, breathing dinosaurs, in their face as soon as it starts. 3: as the romans have well demonstrated this rule is necessary, be a good sport, when hit take it like a man, and no one gets hurt unless they decided they are, which cannot be avoided any way. You do, love the scifi story the foundation of this wiki is based on, don't you? You love seeing plays and tv shows full of orks, and martins, and evles, and alien races? Where the hell do you think those guys come from???? Duuuuh, some one who is willing to contribute in spite of the inevitable criticism from the hatful ones! Oh and 4: while doing it, do it in a way that gives better effect in staying focused on the current topic then if you where not in character. If any of you have a problem with the way I do my job, or I have broken any of the rules, please confess.

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    • By the way, most complaints that have as they should been told to me, where about "using threads as chat boxes". My friends are the only reason I chose to put up with forum abuse, and they are to me worth the risk to hang out with. Enough said, I'm resulting to plan b: radio silence.

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    • I see...

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    • Divimastercheif - Copy

      the messiah

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    • Weal, I found out who's been deleting my posts. Turns out, the culprit is....... *drum roll*....... Me! Worked up over nothing, how embarrassing.

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    • You know, I can't help but feel theirs a lesson to be learned from this.... but that's silly, right?

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    • Lord Darkside wrote:

      Divimastercheif - Copy

      the messiah

      pariah did that too.

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    • Dinosaur1995 wrote:

      Lord Darkside wrote:

      Divimastercheif - Copy

      the messiah

      pariah did that too.

      God, I hope MC's hair isn't like that.

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    • if thats his hair, he deserves lethal grunt.

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    • its just a drawing.

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote: its just a drawing.

      oh yes, right, drawing hair would be hideous.

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    • A FANDOM user
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