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  • Haloprov
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    17:38, July 16, 2016
    • I don't know the answer to your question but I have a question myself: What articles do you want to cite?


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    • I think you're implying that I should cite the articles, and not the entire website.

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    • yep

      and anyway, you can do the math yourself, once you have th equationa dn the parameters it is pretty simple. i should know, since im taking physics currently, not that youd believ me of course, this is the internet after all

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    • It was implied but my question still stands: Which articles do you want to cite? 

      I'm just curious, that's all.

      (Sorry, perhaps I didn't put it very clear into words the first time)


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    • Lasky's Diary wrote:
      It was implied but my question still stands: Which articles do you want to cite? 

      I'm just curious, that's all.

      (Sorry, perhaps I didn't put it very clear into words the first time)


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      Sorry for my misunderstanding. I'm citing some of the species pages, ammuntion pages, all the vehicle pages, and anything else that could help me prove a point using physics as support.

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    • Commander Heathcliff wrote:
      yep

      and anyway, you can do the math yourself, once you have th equationa dn the parameters it is pretty simple. i should know, since im taking physics currently, not that youd believ me of course, this is the internet after all

      I can believe you. In fact, I was hoping if you'd like to help me develop my essay.

      (Oh, and I'm not in need of using math. Just the concepts. Makes it easier. :P) 

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    • BlackSpartan22 wrote:
      Commander Heathcliff wrote:
      yep

      and anyway, you can do the math yourself, once you have th equationa dn the parameters it is pretty simple. i should know, since im taking physics currently, not that youd believ me of course, this is the internet after all

      I can believe you. In fact, I was hoping if you'd like to help me develop my essay.

      (Oh, and I'm not in need of using math. Just the concepts. Makes it easier. :P) 

      You could try calculating the firepower of Covenant energy projectors. I got 6.45 teratons (TNT equivalent) from the Jericho VII glassing (You can do the math yourself, right?), but I think that's an outdated book now, and there might be something of higher canon out there to work with.


      But you're doing a physics paper on Halo?

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    • NG101 wrote:
      BlackSpartan22 wrote:
      Commander Heathcliff wrote:
      yep

      and anyway, you can do the math yourself, once you have th equationa dn the parameters it is pretty simple. i should know, since im taking physics currently, not that youd believ me of course, this is the internet after all

      I can believe you. In fact, I was hoping if you'd like to help me develop my essay.

      (Oh, and I'm not in need of using math. Just the concepts. Makes it easier. :P) 

      You could try calculating the firepower of Covenant energy projectors. I got 6.45 teratons (TNT equivalent) from the Jericho VII glassing (You can do the math yourself, right?), but I think that's an outdated book now, and there might be something of higher canon out there to work with.


      But you're doing a physics paper on Halo?

      Yes, I am. :D

      And sorry to inform you, but I am not as intelligent as I may have sounded. I do not know the exact numbers, nor did I ever need them. They'd be helpful, but I'd like for the paper to remain focused on the concepts, not the exact math.

      If you are interested, I'd appreciate the help by getting some calculations. I'm actually interested in that. However, they may not ever be made onto paper.

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    • BlackSpartan22 wrote:

      Yes, I am. :D

      And sorry to inform you, but I am not as intelligent as I may have sounded. I do not know the exact numbers, nor did I ever need them. They'd be helpful, but I'd like for the paper to remain focused on the concepts, not the exact math.

      If you are interested, I'd appreciate the help by getting some calculations. I'm actually interested in that. However, they may not ever be made onto paper.

      Here's the math I for Jericho VII:

      We know that Master Chief watched the planet for an hour from the bridge of the Resolute. During this time, "Three dozen Covenant ships -- big ones, destroyers and cruisers -- winked into view in the system. They were sleek, looking more like sharks than starcraft. Their lateral lines brightened with plasma -- then discharged and rained fire down upon Jericho VII."

      "The planets lakes, rivers, and oceans vaporized."

      "Fields and forests were glassy smooth and glowing, red-hot patches."

      It was also stated that "By tomorrow, the atmosphere would boil away, too." But we aren't given a specific time.

      We know the water in the oceans were vaporized in an hour from the firepower of three dozen ships, so we'll use this information and some general assumptions to come up with a figure for the firepower of an energy projector.

      So we can assume that Jericho VII is similar to Earth, and has the same mass of water in its ocean, 1.35 x 10^21 kg.

      We'll assume the average temperature is 20 degrees celsius. 

      We're only going to count the effect on the oceans (Being that we're not counting what happened on land, rivers, or lakes, the actual number should be higher).

      The glassing occured with 100% efficiency, and we're going to assume that the Covenant used the entire hour for the glassing (We ignore the time it took for the Covenant ships to get into position).

      Now on to the calculations: 

      The Latent heat vaporization of water is 2,260 J g^-1 = 2,260,000 J kg^-1

      The Specific heat capacity of water is 4.1813 J g^-1 K^-1 = 4181.3 J kg^-1 K^-1

      The total amount of energy required to elevate one kilogram of water from 20 degrees C to 100 degrees C, then to vaporize is: 2,260,000 + 4181.3 x 80 = 2.5945 x 10 ^ 6 J kg^-1

      The total mass of the water in the oceans is 1.35 x 10^21 kg (on Earth. We assume the same for Jericho VII). 

      The total amount of energy that would have been expended in order to vaporize the oceans: 1.35 x 10^21 x 2.5945 x 10^6 = 10^27 J per hour per 36 ships.

      When you work it out, it comes down to 2.70 x 10^22 W per ship.

      This number is equal to 6.45 Teratons of TNT per second per ship (6.45 x 10^12 tons of TNT per second per ship).

      Keep in mind this is a low end estimate for Covenant destroyers and cruisers.

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    • that sounds over-exagerated to me. i mean, they are desrotyin the habitat of an enitre planet, but it still seems a bit much, then again, the super-mac is like 150 gigatons, right?

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    • Commander Heathcliff wrote:
      that sounds over-exagerated to me. i mean, they are desrotyin the habitat of an enitre planet, but it still seems a bit much, then again, the super-mac is like 150 gigatons, right?

      Over exaggeratted? Using what we can glean from the description in TFoR, it seems as though Jericho VII is one of the few planets that the Covenant might have literally turned to glass. 6.45 teratons is a fitting calculation for those energy projectors, in my opinion.

      With some rough mental math (Can't be bothered to do all the conversions and decimals, etc.) and the numbers on the wiki, the Super MAC's are about 46 or 47 gigatons.

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    • And how much of this can each ship survive getting hit by per second?

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    • well, not very much, considering in the battle of reach the pillar of autumn was only able to destroy a ship with the energy projector due to how it was made, while for other ships, they were shot straight through with it, althoughi that couldve been a special kind of energy projector

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    • Commander Heathcliff wrote:
      well, not very much, considering in the battle of reach the pillar of autumn was only able to destroy a ship with the energy projector due to how it was made, while for other ships, they were shot straight through with it, althoughi that couldve been a special kind of energy projector

      The energy projectors used for glassing are hardly ever used in ship-to-ship combat. If they were, the UNSC wouldn't have a single ship that could stand up to the Covenant.

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    • NG101 wrote:

      Commander Heathcliff wrote:
      well, not very much, considering in the battle of reach the pillar of autumn was only able to destroy a ship with the energy projector due to how it was made, while for other ships, they were shot straight through with it, althoughi that couldve been a special kind of energy projector

      The energy projectors used for glassing are hardly ever used in ship-to-ship combat. If they were, the UNSC wouldn't have a single ship that could stand up to the Covenant.

      Whaaaat, you mean they could have won the fight if they used their guns for shooting people?

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:

      NG101 wrote:

      Commander Heathcliff wrote:
      well, not very much, considering in the battle of reach the pillar of autumn was only able to destroy a ship with the energy projector due to how it was made, while for other ships, they were shot straight through with it, althoughi that couldve been a special kind of energy projector
      The energy projectors used for glassing are hardly ever used in ship-to-ship combat. If they were, the UNSC wouldn't have a single ship that could stand up to the Covenant.
      Whaaaat, you mean they could have won the fight if they used their guns for shooting people?

      Basically.

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    • APA reference, right?

      Halo Nation - [PAGE NAME]. (2014, April 27). Retrieved from Halo Nation: http ://URL.com

      The difficulty I can see is relevance: how do you use a Halo website to prove points about physics? There is a lot of conjecture and a lot of assumptions to make. Just seems easier to use concrete facts and figures to base everything off of.

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    • My thread gained a life of its own. XD

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    • They do that.:) helo thread, haven't saw you for a while.

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    • I was busy actually writing my Halo essay. XD

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    • BlackSpartan22 wrote:
      I was busy actually writing my Halo essay. XD

      How has your essay turned out?


      What was it on, specifically?

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    • Is their anything higher then an a or did they just make it up?

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    • Haloprov
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    • Ah fuck not another one of these assholes

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