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  • Sgt D Grif
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    21:48, February 4, 2019

    This is a voting thread on whether or not Halo Nation should leave Wikia and merge with Halopedia. All voters are encouraged to read through the accompanying blog post in its entirety before casting their votes.

    If you are eligible, please vote using one of the following templates:

    • {{Support}} - Support Support
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    • {{Oppose}} - Oppose Oppose

    You can also comment, by preceeding your post with this template:

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    In order to vote, you must have registered for an account on Wikia at least two weeks before the vote began on 21/01/2019 (DD/MM/YYYY), and have made 50 contributions to Halo Nation, including at least 25 mainspace edits. Users caught using sockpuppet accounts to cast multiple votes will be banned, and their votes will be discarded.

    Although only users meeting these requirements can cast votes, all users are encouraged to comment and discuss on the proceedings. Admins of both Halo Nation and Halopedia will monitor the thread throughout the vote, and would be happy to provide more information and clean up any misconceptions where we can.

    The vote will last for a two week period. It will close on the 04/02/2019 (DD/MM/YYYY), at which point the votes will be tallied and if the majority of votes are in favour, then we will begin to set the plans outlined in the above blog into motion.

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    • Support Support

      Since I am about to be very critical of Wikia/FANDOM (who I will henceforth just refer to as Wikia) in my breakdown of my opinions on this matter, I feel I must first reiterate what was said in the disclaimer: any harassment or attacks on Wikia staff members will not be tolerated, and will be dealt with harshly by the Halo Nation admin team. I have contacted Wikia on multiple occasions in the past, both on behalf of myself and the wiki, and every time I have done so, the staff members I have spoken with have been very friendly and understanding. Though we did not always agree on all things, and occasionally company policy prevented them from offering the outcome I'd been hoping for, it must be stressed that they always did their best, and I am extremely grateful to them for it. When I speak of Wikia in this piece, I refer specifically to the company itself and the decisions and policies that the organisation as a whole makes and upholds - not the individuals employed by that organisation. This is a very important distinction to make, as my words are not meant to be interpreted as an attack on any individual or group of individuals, but rather as a frank explanation of how I view the current situation.

      With all that being said, I view our current situation with Wikia as completely untenable and unsustainable. Three or so years ago, I thought that the service Wikia offered was, all in all, quite good, albeit with some minor flaws. However, as time progressed and Wikia continued to make updates and changes, I feel that the service they provide has been consistently degraded, to the point where it has now completely lost its value in my eyes, and it only seems to be getting worse. Very few of these updates have offered our community any meaningful new features and abilities (in fact, many features we use have been or are scheduled to be removed) but invariably, they all have restricted our ability to customise and personalise our wiki. In combination with this, the way Wikia seems to view wikis and their editors is no longer compatible with not just the way Halo Nation is run, but also the foundational concepts of wikis in general. An excellent example of this would be featured videos; although we were offered the ability to edit scripts and vote on them, we were never allowed the ability to outright refuse them or edit them ourselves later on, which completely goes against the collaborative nature of wikis and the modifiable nature of their content.

      If this trend continues to run its course, I fully expect Wikia's wikis to be entirely subsumed into the brand of "FANDOM"; instead of being merely a wiki that happened to be hosted by Wikia, we'd be "FANDOM's Halo Nation" (it should be noted that the wiki is referred to as such in some of the featured videos Wikia produced) or even simply "FANDOM: Halo". We're already seeing the beginnings of this with the recent domain name change (from topic.wikia.com to topic.fandom.com) and the upcoming Unification initiative. Although I don't expect that wiki personalisation will ever be completely removed (at least, not for the desktop skin), the degree of customisation permitted will likely continue to become increasingly restricted, so that individual wikis will be forced to conform more closely to the standard appearance associated with the FANDOM brand. In short, I believe that Wikia views wikis not as community-driven encyclopedias about topics their users are passionate about, but as products (and their products, at that), and no longer values the editors who put in the hard work to create them.

      Admittedly, Wikia does still offer some features such as Special:Forum (at least for now - it's scheduled to be decomissioned soon) and the Oasis skin which we would no longer have if we left. However, the beautiful thing about MediaWiki is that it's open source, meaning that it can easily be extended and modified. Among the many freedoms that becoming independent grants us would be the ability to install our own skins and extensions to the wiki. Although I'm not going to promise anything up-front, as I am unfamiliar with MediaWiki and PHP itself, I'd like to confirm now that I am prototyping a MediaWiki skin (essentially, a layout and design for the wiki) that I'm calling Onyx, which aims to recreate Wikia's Oasis skin (the one that's used on desktop) but without the clutter and "FANDOM" branding. If I am successful in creating this skin, it would be available as an option for all wiki users, and since we'd have access to the code itself, we could make adjustments to it to suit the community's needs. I would also be open to suggestions for other skins or extensions (plugins, essentially) that could be developed to help improve the wiki.

      To conclude, I wholeheartedly support the proposal to leave Wikia, and I firmly believe that Halopedia is the best option for our community - and the wider Halo community - going forward. Personally, I intend to migrate to Halopedia regardless of whether Halo Nation decides to move along with me, as I am no longer comfortable with my edits and contributions being irreversibly tied to a platform I don't feel is doing right by its editors or its readers.

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    • Karl-591
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      Forgot I wasn't logged in on this device.
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    • Comment Picture Comment I'm CIA391 a Halopedia admin, I will be here like I was last time to help answer questions and so on. Just ask and I will try my best.

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    • Support Support

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    • Comment Picture Comment Edited from original "support" vote. I didn't read the rules initially so that's a fault on my part. I have been around Fandom, primarily Gearspedia, for some time. This year would mark my third. And while I don't meet the requirements for voting, I fully support the merge.

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      While I may not be able to vote (I lack the number of required edits by half), I've been around for a little over a year now. I've seen a lot of the things Wikia has done in that time; these, combined with major changes they've unveiled for the future has led me to agree that Halo Nation should not stay with FANDOM. While my vote may not count, for what it's worth I am in support of the merger with Halopedia.

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    • Support Support

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    • Comment Picture Comment - Despite being a former member of this community I will not officially vote on this thread as some may see it as a conflict of interest, given my status as a former bureaucrat of Halopedia. I support the proposed merge as said here.

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    • Support Support - If it's what the community wants and as long as HN isn't being shut down.

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    • Support Support - As far as I can see, merging with Halopedia would be for the best not only for us as a wiki but for the Halo community in general. I am quite wary of Fandom personally and as such, I'm not sure if I'm comfortable staying with them. I hope Fandom can learn from our grievances, I wish them and those who choose to stay the best of luck.

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    • Support Support - As I've previously commented, I support this.

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    • Support Support - While I made a much longer post here, I'd like to reiterate that our relationship with Wikia/Fandom started at a level of annoyance, frustration, and distrust, and has only managed to get worse and worse over the years. Fandom does not operate in a manner in the best interests of this wiki or its community in mind. They have shown zero desire to rectify this issue over the years, often instead attempting to belittle or disprove feedback given back to them about the issues they've caused. At the peak of my relationship with Wikia, my opinion towards them was extreme frustration at their inability to properly manage their service and their skewed and hypocritical views and actions.

      With this merge, we'll have the staff, userbase, and support to create a wiki experience and community superior to the two wikis we currently have combined. It's an admittedly trying time nowadays. The Xbox One has gotten mixed reception over the years, the transition from Bungie to 343 Industries is still felt even now, MCC has had a troubled history, internet culture and how we use the internet has changed over the years. We have the capacity and drive with this merge to form a stronger community, a more dedicated userbase, and an experience that Halo truly deserves.

      While this won't be the easiest task to undertake, the results will be well worth it. The thing we need the most is your support. We're asking you to have faith in us and to trust us. We can do this, but not without you!

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    • I don't much like Halopedia. Its forum is a clunky, outdated talk page format, and the wiki skin is just painful to look at. 9 times out of 10 I'd rather go to Halo Nation; the only times I ever frequent HP is when HN is lacking information that HP does have.

      Nonetheless, I utterly despise Wikia as a company. I've had that view for years, primarily since they announced the shitshow that is Discussions. And with everything else they're doing now, it's time to get off this wretched site. Therefore, I will throw my support behind this merger.

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    • Oppose Oppose - As much as I like both Halopedia and Halo Nation, I fear that some of Halo Nation's unique content and pages won't be accepted on Halopedia.

      While information from Admins have helped ease worries (thank you very much, I do appreciate the info, sincerely!), we won't know for sure what content from Halo Nation will be kept, and what will be thrown away in the merge until it actually happens.

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    • Comment Picture Comment - I think I'm shy of the 50 contributions but I most certainly support this.

      Although Wikia has 100% been my go to source from the very beginning cohesion and more editors will do wonders for our community.

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    • I would support it, but lack an offical vote

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    • Comment Picture Comment - Having worked and become friends with many users on both platforms, particularly in their community hubs on Discord, I lack the votes to participate since my involvement in both wikis is scarce. I will simply give my vocal support in the merger as I see it as a positive change rather than a negative.

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    • Editorguy wrote: Oppose Oppose - As much as I like both Halopedia and Halo Nation, I fear that some of Halo Nation's unique content and pages won't be accepted on Halopedia.

      While information from Admins have helped ease worries (thank you very much, I do appreciate the info, sincerely!), we won't know for sure what content from Halo Nation will be kept, and what will be thrown away in the merge until it actually happens.

      Nothing will be thrown away. There is plenty here on Halo Nation that will be incorporated into what Halopedia has. Halopedia doesn't have individual pages for all the sections of ONI, for example. Halo Nation does.

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    • Support Support

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    • Support Support

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      Please do.

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    • Chillerrr1234 wrote:
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      Please do.

      Unfortunately, you don't meet the voting requirement of 25 mainspace edits, so I've changed your post from a vote to a comment. However, we really do appreciate your support nonetheless :)

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    • Oh wait I just realized all my edits are from posts oof.

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    • Wait, we need mainspace edits? In that case my vote doesn't count either lmao

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    • Comment Picture Comment I will admit, I’ve followed Halo Nation for a while now, and it has been one of the best databases for Halo knowledge I’ve found, and Halopedia, in my opinion, comes close second. While I don’t meet the requirements for taking part in the vote, I fully support the merge. I feel that it won’t just benefit the communities of the two wikis, but the wikis themselves as well. In my opinion, the merge of Halo Nation and Halopedia will allow for both wikis to be more comprehensive in their knowledge, which will benefit all of us.

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    • Comment Picture Comment I'm here for the bants, idek if I qualify to vote rip. Old user new account, let's go kiddos

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    • Comment Picture Comment Support

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    • Support

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    • Comment Picture Comment I think we should merge, but I can't vote.

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    • Support Support 100%. Even before I went inactive, I started to see Wikia slowly turning into an ad revenue machine. The complete lack of consideration for the communities that used to thrive on their platform is completely disgusting, and ever since the switch to FANDOM branding, it's only gotten worse. FANDOM will continue to push their agenda of nothing other than bringing in as many clicks and as much ad revenue as possible while continuing to ignore the concerns of their users. They truly just don't care. It's a total shitshow. Wikis should be free, independent, and not for commercial gain. Merging with Halopedia is going to be a challenge, but it's a much better alternative to letting Halo Nation slowly rot away on this dying platform. As a former staff member, I'd hate to see that happen.

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    • Comment Picture Comment Hello Halo Alpha, I'm a user who recently forked from the the old RS wiki to our own independant host which involved a lot of planning.

      A few months in and we're doing fantastic - top of SEO, having gained endorsement from our game creators and even being funded by them. I just want to let you all know that it's very possible to prosper off of Wikia, and I wish you all the best with this endeavour. But please only do it if your hosts (or if independant, yourselves) have the capability to fend off Wikia's SEO as they are undoubtably good at it. 

      I wish you all the best!

      - from a fellow ex-Wikian who has now moved off site

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    • I have passed on some of the feedback received onto FANDOM/Wikia

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      We have removed all Featured Video from this wiki, effective immediately. Details here  

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      Although I don't believe I quite meet the voting requirement, I've been a member of this site for over three years now, and I will say that when I first joined the community had a great presence that I greatly enjoyed, and it seems that the community has continued in Discord. This site was the one I relied on as my go-to online Halo bible for lore, but based on what I have read and seen, I think that being a part of Wikia/FANDOM does seem to be doing more detriments to this site. I think merging will allow for a higher degree of quality and control over the lore we can access from a singular site.

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    • Oppose Oppose It won't solve the problem of there being two Wikis at all - halo.fandom will remain at the top of search results, and new fans will continue to check here first for information. Kudos to Wikia for removing the Featured Videos, not that I particularly cared about them one way or another.

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    • Forerunner wrote: Oppose Oppose It won't solve the problem of there being two Wikis at all - halo.fandom will remain at the top of search results, and new fans will continue to check here first for information. Kudos to Wikia for removing the Featured Videos, not that I particularly cared about them one way or another.

      Halopedia already beats this site as far as reputation, activity, and in some cases SEO. Removal of videos is a just a last ditch band aid attempt to sway the decision and I'd bet money they try to bring them back at some point. This doesn't solve the real problem of Fandom being overly intrusive and apathetic to their communities.

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    • I'd like to add here, FANDOM did not remove videos as a latch ditch attempt to prevent everyone leaving. I know you didn't see the convo spart but that isn't why it was done. They were fully aware it wouldn't stop people the migration but they wanted to remove it for the people who want to stay behind after the migration.

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    • In any case, the motive for removing the videos is irrelevant. They're now gone, which is a good thing overall, no matter how you slice it. However, their removal has also not changed the outcome of the vote, and the merger will still be going ahead, which is, as I understand it, what Fandom were expecting.

      Forerunner wrote:
      Oppose Oppose It won't solve the problem of there being two Wikis at all - halo.fandom will remain at the top of search results, and new fans will continue to check here first for information. Kudos to Wikia for removing the Featured Videos, not that I particularly cared about them one way or another.

      Solving the problem of there being two wikis isn't what this is about; it's about moving to a host where the community will have complete control over how the wiki is run, and will not be subject to the frequent intrusive changes which we had little-to-no input on that have become routine over the past few years on Wikia.

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